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#81 2016-09-06 10:08:33

etc
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern CMS 4.6.0 beta 3 released

philwareham wrote #301105:

I agree with Philippe, please keep sort/display visible at all times. Categories can be moved to a collapsible if/when unlimited categories happens.

Fine, less work! But the collapse/expand link after Sort and display looks strange (a bit lost). The visual difference between collapsible and visible is enough for me to keep it on the top without any confusion.

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#82 2016-09-06 10:30:10

Bloke
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern CMS 4.6.0 beta 3 released

etc wrote #301109:

the collapse/expand link after Sort and display looks strange (a bit lost).

Yeah, it’s not brilliant but the best I could come up with to satisfy the concerns. By all means revert my commit and put them back up top, or shove them somewhere more appropriate. It was just a test, as I can see how putting them up top could be confusing to newer users who aren’t as familiar with the Textpattern model as we are. And it was those users to which I believe Candyman was concerned about.

I suspect many users will miss “The visual difference between collapsible and visible”. To me, the addition of a little twisty triangle over on the far side is rather subtle. Unless the panel is delineated as special in some other, slightly more obvious, way (which brings its own issues wrt making it blend in with the surrounding visuals but also standing out somehow!) I suspect many more users will be surprised when the collapse/expand buttons “don’t work” on the first panel. Perhaps after a few clicks, the penny will drop and the difference between the panels will become obvious. Do we want that experience for users? I’m not sure ‘surprise’ is a desirable response when something is clicked in a UI :-)


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#83 2016-09-06 10:31:48

philwareham
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern CMS 4.6.0 beta 3 released

It’s fine as-is (underneath sort and display) for the sake of 4.6. We can revisit maybe in 4.7. Let’s prepare this thing for shipping now.

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#84 2016-09-06 10:33:19

Bloke
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern CMS 4.6.0 beta 3 released

philwareham wrote #301112:

It’s fine as-is (underneath sort and display) for the sake of 4.6. We can revisit maybe in 4.7. Let’s prepare this thing for shipping now.

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#85 2016-09-07 05:18:19

hcgtv
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern CMS 4.6.0 beta 3 released

Bloke wrote #300965:

The new site repo is available and was updated just a few hours ago. By all means get involved.

Grunt :(

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#86 2016-09-07 06:17:40

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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern CMS 4.6.0 beta 3 released

i am working with v3 of the new 4.6.0 beta. Combined two of hcgtv’s TXP Themes and all seems fine. I found the UI fairly straightforward and didn’t come across any issues.


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#87 2016-09-07 09:13:03

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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern CMS 4.6.0 beta 3 released

philwareham wrote #301112:

Let’s prepare this thing for shipping now.

Start your engines!

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#88 2016-09-07 09:18:32

philwareham
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern CMS 4.6.0 beta 3 released

gaekwad wrote #301139:

Start your engines!

Yep, nearly ready!!

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#89 2016-09-07 11:41:58

maverick
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern CMS 4.6.0 beta 3 released

Bloke wrote #301086:

Done. See if that’s any better.

This is much better so long as the “Sort & Display” remains un-expandable/un-collapsible.

candyman wrote #301078:

First thing I noticed (and that it seems strange to me) is the behavior of the Write panel: why the Sort and display panel is always fixed?

jakob wrote #301080:

To me this seems entirely logical: it’s the one thing that absolutely has to be filled out.

I’ve expressed my thought on this in the past, so forgive me for the repeating myself. I agree with Candyman. I do understand the reasoning for keeping it open, and it’s excellent reasoning. However, I still advocate for allowing it to be collapsible. In no particular order:

  1. It creates a consistent interface
  2. Having it open to ensure people have properly filled in the settings is only applicable for new articles. Granted is probably the primary use case for the write panel, but even so it is only one use case.
  3. I advocate for Textpattern’s original mantra of “just write”. For me, that means, as much as possible, creating a distraction free UI for writing. Collapsing all, including sort & display moves even closer. (Personally, I’d like to try a versions with a slide out or modal or popup for all the extra settings.)
  4. We should move away from requiring the Sort and Display. It makes sense if Textpattern were only a content publishing system, but it if is a content management system, we should allow the freedom to create articles that are outside of sections.
  5. If we are going to require certain settings, it should be possible with the new js foundation a warning, or even pop up with the warning and the ability to fill in the settings in the pop up itself. Which makes some sense if the reasoning is these are special settings that should be treated differently from other settings.

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By the by – Please do not construe my comments to be in reference to something I believe needs to happen prior to a 4.6 release. It’s feedback going forward. And really at the heart of it is 1) is there a way to make status and sectional optional and 2) if they are unique and necessary, can we handle them differently than keeping them visible all the time? Maybe that means all preferences become a slide out, non-negotiable preferences a modal, or a warning – “you didn’t set this” pops up.. Just my preference among the various views :)

That input aside, excellent work all!

Last edited by maverick (2016-09-07 11:50:16)

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#90 2016-09-07 13:06:43

Bloke
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Re: Feedback to: Textpattern CMS 4.6.0 beta 3 released

maverick wrote #301144:

we should allow the freedom to create articles that are outside of sections.

I’ve given this some thought in the past, but it breaks so many content paradigms baked into Txp (convention over configuration being one of them) that it’s a major upheaval for little measurable benefit. Content has to live somewhere.

Granted, it’d be nice to be able to have chunks of content that could benefit from Textile / markup but are not full articles in themselves. Like Forms, but available to content authors not just designers, that you could “include” when needed.

But would they be useful? Dunno. Proper custom fields will help, but they’re still attached to the article, which has to live somewhere to be displayed in a logical location to the site visitor. Custom content types would be better, imo.

If we are going to require certain settings…

I feel that since all articles must have a Section and a publication Status, those fields should ultimately be moved out of the side panel and put in the main flow. Then the side panel becomes entirely optional and could be hidden/popped out on demand as you mentioned, leaving more screen real estate for content.

When we make the blocks sortable (drag-drop), I’d like to visit that notion if possible.


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