change theme/page/style

Gallex · 2019-11-13 10:12:45

hi!

there is a drop-down list at the bottom of presentation>section page. and if i choose ‘change theme/page/style’ option, development checkbox appears – what is the purpose of this option? Is it hides those sections from google? ;)

Bloke · 2019-11-13 10:25:56

Not specifically to hide from search engines, though it does as a by-product. You now have two environments when dealing with themes:

Development that only logged-in users see, so you can make changes to a theme Pages, Forms and Styles in relative safety on your live site, using live content to iterate your design.
Live is what regular non-logged-in visitors see.

So you can choose when you change theme/page/style whether your change affects just you, while you remain logged in, or everyone. Thus, you can tinker without anyone else knowing, then ‘Publish’ (make Live) your theme changes to the section(s) you want via the multi-edit tool when you’re happy it works.

Last edited by Bloke (2019-11-13 10:27:31)

etc · 2019-11-13 10:32:54

Gallex wrote #320041:

Is it hides those sections from google? ;)

From google too, unless it’s one of your clients ;-) Or rather, it will see the live theme.

Gallex · 2019-11-13 11:11:29

Bloke wrote #320042:

Not specifically to hide from search engines, though it does as a by-product. You now have two environments when dealing with themes:

Development that only logged-in users see, so you can make changes to a theme Pages, Forms and Styles in relative safety on your live site, using live content to iterate your design.

Live is what regular non-logged-in visitors see.

that’s very useful option then! i really didn’t know. great!

Gallex · 2019-11-13 13:00:00

Bloke wrote #320042:

Not specifically to hide from search engines, though it does as a by-product. You now have two environments when dealing with themes:

Development that only logged-in users see, so you can make changes to a theme Pages, Forms and Styles in relative safety on your live site, using live content to iterate your design.

Live is what regular non-logged-in visitors see.

i’m trying to hide section ‘uudised’ from non-logged-in visitors, but unsucessfully. it is still visible

you can see my choices here
i checked development checkbox… what i don’t understand?

let’s just say that all my sections are under one theme, just some of them use different page and style (called vana).
my goal is to hide all sections that use page and style called ‘vana’ from non-loged-in visitors.

Bloke · 2019-11-13 13:09:25

You can’t completely hide sections using Themes. You can just apply different Pages/Styles to logged-in users compared with live visitors.

So, for example, you could clone your current theme, make some changes “behind the scenes” in development, check them, then apply them live to your existing Sections once you/your client are happy.

To completely hide a section or only reveal it to logged-in users you need some conditional logic in your pages, e.g.:

<txp:if_section name="uudised">
   <txp:if_logged_in>
      ... show specific logged-in content ...
   </txp:if_logged_in>
<txp:else/>
... show regular content ... 
</txp:if_section>

And of course, remove the sections from your navigation if you employ <txp:section_list> tags.

Last edited by Bloke (2019-11-13 13:13:17)

etc · 2019-11-13 20:09:26

Bloke wrote #320050:

You can’t completely hide sections using Themes. You can just apply different Pages/Styles to logged-in users compared with live visitors.

You can get close to it by putting just this in your “hidden” live Page:

<txp:txp_die status="404" />

Gallex · 2019-11-14 09:33:30

etc wrote #320063:

You can get close to it by putting just this in your “hidden” live Page:

<txp:txp_die status="404" />...

like this?

<txp:if_section name="uudised">
   <txp:if_logged_in>
      ... show specific logged-in content ...
   </txp:if_logged_in>
<txp:else/>
<txp:txp_die status="404" />
</txp:if_section>

how google will deal with error 404 pages? will it remove them from index…?

Last edited by Gallex (2019-11-14 09:34:00)

colak · 2019-11-14 09:41:17

Gallex wrote #320069:

like this?

<txp:if_section name="uudised">...

how google will deal with error 404 pages? will it remove them from index…?

www.searchenginejournal.com/google-404-errors-fine-long-no-links-traffic/243791/

etc · 2019-11-14 10:04:17

Gallex wrote #320069:

like this?

No, create a separate page with just <txp:txp_die status="404" /> and make it live for hidden sections.

how google will deal with error 404 pages? will it remove them from index…?

I don’t care :-)

jakob · 2019-11-14 10:34:51

Gallex wrote #320069:

how google will deal with error 404 pages? will it remove them from index…?

Your 404 page will usually have meta robots sent to none…

What I do if a section shouldn’t show is:

Make sure you have nothing in your site linking to it, including feeds and sitemaps.
If it’s absolutely vital that nobody should be able to reach the page should they enter the url manually into the address bar, I use something like arc_redirect to catch those incoming links and redirect them to another page of the site.

You can use .htaccess too, but it’s harder to remember what you’ve set up.

Gallex · 2019-11-14 10:35:12

etc wrote #320074:

No, create a separate page with just <txp:txp_die status="404" /> and make it live for hidden sections.

i did this:

<txp:if_logged_in>
<!doctype html>
...my old page...
</html>
<txp:else/>
<txp:txp_die status="404" />
</txp:if_logged_in>

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