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#21 2019-05-19 20:04:26

michaelkpate
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Re: Facebook experiences

colak wrote #318121:

Possibly of interest: Can “Indie” Social Media Save Us?

Which has kind of come up on the related decentralized data movement and the decentralized software alternatives threads.

Unfortunately, Twitter has become the place where media types go to stroke their ego and everyone and their grandmother is on Facebook. Which has made it very difficult for any other platform to get traction.

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#22 2019-05-20 17:14:38

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Re: Facebook experiences

colak wrote #318121:

Possibly of interest: Can “Indie” Social Media Save Us?

Cal’s article is interesting reading. I like how he says “sites like Facebook and Instagram encourage conformism because it makes your data easier to process and monetize. This creates the exhausting sense that you’re a worker in a data factory rather than a three-dimensional individual trying to express yourself and connect with other real people in an organic way online.”

I was certainly made to feel like that on FB (I’ve never tried Instagram).

He also doesn’t see alternative social media like Mastodon ever becoming huge despite obvious benefits. “Strip away (social media’s) most manipulative elements, though, and we may find that it’s less rewarding than it seems.” (My emphasis) I go on a few newspaper sites and comment and the only manipulation is by other commenters who hound, abuse and brow-beat opposing commenters. Or often just ignore them. I get some self-satisfaction from having my say but have learned to never expect any rewarding feedback or supportive comments from anyone. It certainly seems the case that only comments that are very status quo get lots of agreement. Status quo, as it is appearing to me currently, means right-wing, xenophobic and racist — reflecting the fact that newspapers are themselves right-wing, xenophobic and racist. I’m surprised there have been no prosecutions – the commenters can surely be traced if the police wanted to.


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#23 2019-05-20 18:04:26

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Re: Facebook experiences

zero wrote #318134:

Status quo, as it is appearing to me currently, means right-wing, xenophobic and racist — reflecting the fact that newspapers are themselves right-wing, xenophobic and racist. I’m surprised there have been no prosecutions – the commenters can surely be traced if the police wanted to.

I so much agree with you. The sad thing is that this phenomenon no longer exists in a handful of isolated countries. It is-in a very aggressive and scary way-going global.


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#24 2019-05-20 20:33:46

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Re: Facebook experiences

While I see the same things you see, and find it equally disquieting, I still wonder how indicative of ‘society in general‘ those threads are, for a number of reasons:

  • The people who tend to take part are usually those strongly for or strongly against or generally ‘irate’ for want of a better word. Balanced or personal commentary is rare.
  • Social media has made it easier for people to vent their frustrations freely and in all directions without there being any balancing force to temper their behaviour as there would be in real-life interactions – be it peer context, the law or just interpersonal tact and respect. I’m not sure all those people would behave as badly in real life as they do online. However, I do think the ability to ‘behave badly’ online (and have got away with it) also reduces the barrier people intuitively feel in real-life interactions.
  • A significant proportion of normal people don’t take part in those online ‘discussions’, and it would be too simplistic to label them all as apathetic. But those people do take part in society and they do not just swim with the flow of those of loud temperament.

I won’t pretend it’s not alarming, but I don’t think it is particularly isolated: much of it is human nature, albeit unpleasant. People talk about other people behind their backs, but get on with them in actual interactions, and people carp on about their employer in the pub, but do find a way to do their work in real life. It might be hypocritical, but it’s human.

What worries me more is the way social media and news reporting makes isolated incidences snowball into full-scale social tendencies, and through their cumulative effect cause a shift in how people perceive one another. Our actual dealings with one another are, for the most part I would venture, not as fraught or tense as they are made out to be in the media or in social media.


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#25 2019-07-23 02:20:00

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Re: Facebook experiences

All i can say is that I am so glad that i never embraced Facebook. From the beginning I found FB a bit creepy and big turnoff.


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