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#21 2018-06-12 06:42:31

Destry
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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

This Lollipop Cloud project sounds very cool. Rough starting docs

As described by the progenitor:

The ‘Lollipop Cloud’ is an attempt to lower the friction of self hosting. Preferably on Raspberry Pi’s, Orange Pi’s and other lean, small ARM mini-computer boards.

[It’s] born of a desire to self host when nomadic, facilitating sync when ‘in the jungle’ or just wanting to give ? to the various corporate entities who harvest your data.

[A] self-hosted cloud that’s rarely online (only to get updates really) as well as provide services . . . while ‘disconnected’.

A cloud in a very small box is the goal. A box the size of a credit card or as big as a rack mount server. YOU decide.

I’ve always wanted a reason to try something like Raspberry Pi, but I’ve never considered myself needing it or being geeky enough. But in my quest for digital independence, this is something I could take interest in trying.

I’d like to just get my Linux laptop first, lol, but maybe by that point this project will have matured a bit more and a dope on a rope like me can fumble through it.


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#22 2018-06-25 15:23:08

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Thredded, a super clean forum system I was not aware of before, is not federated, so maybe not ‘decentralized’ by the standards of some people, but there’s hope in the federated camps the developers might integrate ActivityPub and make it ‘federatable’ ;)

And I’m not quite sure what HookTube is, exactly, whether it’s a federated system or not, but it’s rather cool nonetheless. If I get it right, it enables you to watch YouTube videos without giving YouTube any hits.

In any case, PeerTube, which is federated, is making headway by leaps and bounds.

Oh, and there’s a lot of talk in Masto lately of building a federated blogging system (the ‘Medium equivalent’ is what I heard). No links yet, but I’m sure one will surface by end of year. The dev community in the federated space is big and ambitious. It’s kind of fun to watch this stuff unfold in the dark streams of Mastoland. The dark armies amass to storm Silicone Gondor!


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#23 2018-06-25 16:25:46

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Destry wrote #312691:

And I’m not quite sure what HookTube is, exactly, whether it’s a federated system or not, but it’s rather cool nonetheless. If I get it right, it enables you to watch YouTube videos without giving YouTube any hits.

“Share YouTube videos without giving them views.”

I watch a lot of YouTube. I support a lot of creators through YouTube Red now Premium and Patreon. I get bypassing restrictions but I don’t agree denying them the right to benefit from their creation to make a point.

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#24 2018-06-25 16:34:35

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Destry wrote #312691:

Oh, and there’s a lot of talk in Masto lately of building a federated blogging system (the ‘Medium equivalent’ is what I heard). No links yet, but I’m sure one will surface by end of year. The dev community in the federated space is big and ambitious.

It sounds like they are working on something similar to POSSE.

POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, a content publishing model that starts with posting content on your own domain first, then syndicating out copies to 3rd party services with permashortlinks back to the original on your site. – POSSE

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#25 2018-06-26 07:36:11

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

michaelkpate wrote #312692:

I get bypassing restrictions but I don’t agree denying them the right to benefit from their creation to make a point.

That reminds me of Forbes, or whatever, throwing a “You have ad-blocker installed … cry, cry…” in my face when I want to read the occasional interesting article they generally don’t publish, trying to guilt trip me into remaining in the exploitation engine.

Not all YT is equal. There are some good channels on YouTube (I watch a few), and there is a vast ocean of shit that should be thrown into the sun. People can easily cherry-pick and support the rare flower while drying up the weeds.

I have less-to-zero sympathy for YouTube publishers who do so for fame/fortune and sponsor money as opposed to just sharing what they know. And there’s a lot of weird stuff too (besides the usual Jackass attempts to shock, awe, and entertain with base humour) like parents forcing their kids to be YT stars and creating entire sitcoms and whatnot. It’s sick, actually. Not unlike selling your kids on the street. And that’s all motivated by an unhealthy desire for fame, money, and free products. It goes on and on. As far as I’m concerned, HookTube can bypass all the YT it can and the world is better off.

But I admit, as I write this, there’s a strange dichotomy here. If HookTubers are watching the child exploitation and Jackass stunts, then they’re no better than the producers of it. So there must be some kind of middle ground for this video production and support system. Still, if they are watching it on HookTube, it has the same effect, drying up the source of the insanity.

I’m no analyst, but from what little I observe across platforms, Vimeo is as close to the ideal situation as anything can be for the moment. It doesn’t have the consumer numbers YT does, and it’s still centralized, but, comparatively speaking, more of the content is higher quality when normalized across volume, and consumer interaction/conduct with it is more intelligent and civilized. I’m sure Vimeo channel owners do okay with their donation lines by catering to a more serious (albeit smaller) consumer base. YT is just casting a big net in the plastic-filled ocean and hoping something is snagged. Vimeo is tactical spearfishing.

But again, the commercial aspect of it all is sad. Remove the promise of fame and fortune from YT video production, and there would be a lot less of it, I’d hope. Production would likely get less glitzy and overproduced (i.e. done more cheaply) and become more academic and tutorial based (good people will always want to share knowledge), and that would be a good thing, IMO.

As I always say, rightfully, there are too many humans and not enough trees.


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#26 2018-06-26 08:10:29

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

michaelkpate wrote #312693:

It sounds like they are working on something similar to POSSE.

I think this is part of it here: Plume

All I can tell at the moment is by making it federated, you won’t have to have a a different account to participate in article discussion. Anyone on Mastodon, for example, could comment via their Masto account even if the blog article was published via a Plume instance, or whatever. This seems to be one of the big attractors for people, the integration of federated tools.

I know I would not use it simply because I tend to write longform, want to be comfortable with my tools and editing process, and have no desire to cater to comments. I recognize I’m not the target user in that case.

But I could be a commenter. ;)


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#27 2018-06-26 12:07:04

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

I’m with Destry on this one.

YouPuke just works for profit not ethics

The nightmare videos of children’s YouTube and what’s wrong with the internet today:

>Edit Just noticed that the youpuke video is just a sound recording

Here it is again directly from TED

www.ted.com/talks/james_bridle_the_nightmare_videos_of_childrens_youtube_and_what_s_wrong_with_the_internet_today


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#28 2018-06-26 12:30:20

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

colak wrote #312714:

YouPuke just works for profit not ethics

Fortunately, there are plenty of alternatives these days:

Twitch – owned by Amazon

Mixer – owned by Microsoft

Facebook Watch – owned by Facebook

Instagram Television aka IGTV – Also owned by Facebook

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#29 2018-06-26 13:27:45

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Hi Michael,

Indeed you are right. The establishment promotes monopolies.


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#30 2018-07-01 17:09:15

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

You guys are missing the point of this thread. :)

Silicone Valley promotes itself. And you can either be a complacent pawn in that game (like a lot of people who don’t know any better are, but not all of society, and hopefully less with time if enough informed people resist and keep spreading the message to help others become aware), or you can resist and be a part of the solution away from the scurge.

Oh, look…

Qwant, an alternative to Google search, is promoting PeerTube on it’s search page. And PeerTube is a federated alternative to YT, and what people just need to start using if they want to publish or consume video. Period.

Bravo Qwant! That’s how you do it.

Join the revolution. Don’t be part of the problem. :)


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