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Re: New EU (c) laws -on horizon- are here
In a key vote this morning the European Parliament’s legal affairs committee has backed the two most controversial elements of a digital copyright reform package — which critics warn could have a chilling effect on Internet norms like memes and also damage freedom of expression online. – Europe takes another step towards copyright pre-filters for user generated content
In semi-related news:
In a rare and extremely timely incidence of coincidental providence, one of the largest partners in the far-right block in the EU, France’s Front National, just had its YouTube channel “TVLibertés” deleted because Content ID claimed it contained copyright infringement, a claim disputed by FN leader Marine Le Pen, who called it “arbitrary, political, and unilateral.” – France’s Front National (who support the EU’s mandatory copyright filters) furious when Youtube’s copyright filters kill their channel
The thing is, this law punishes companies for leaving things up, not for taking things down. We can expect them to err on the side of caution every time.
Opponents of the proposal argue that if smaller platforms are also required to implement upload filtering, it’ll not only be a significant burden to them, but they’re likely to do a much worse job. Placing content-filtering obligations on platforms encourages them to block as much as possible, and it gives them little incentive to let innocent content through. FOSTA in the United States is a good example of how these incentives work. After the passage of the law, which was intended to combat sex trafficking on the internet, Cloudflare dropped Switter, a sex worker-friendly Mastodon instance. – New EU copyright filtering law threatens the internet as we knew it
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michaelkpate wrote #312641:
The thing is, this law punishes companies for leaving things up, not for taking things down. We can expect them to err on the side of caution every time.
Like with DMCA. I guess we deserve the society we are living in:(
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For purposes of fairness, the counter-argument from Big Music:
This is a strong and unambiguous message sent by the European Parliament. It clarifies what the music sector has been saying for years: if you are in the business of distributing music or other creative works, you need a licence, clear and simple. It’s time for the digital market to catch up with progress. Today’s vote is a great rebuttal to the relentless scare-mongering and misleading statements made by astro-turf organisations working for some tech giants trying to preserve the status quo. Parliamentarians were able to keep a cool head. The EU has made a leap forward and it now has to convert a try. This is part of a wider effort to make online platforms more accountable, where the EU is leading the way. The eyes of the world are on Europe to set a new standard for creators online. This is about ensuring artists and fans can still enjoy the unique relationship that online platforms facilitate. – The Last Mile to bridge the Value Gap
I’ve had a YouTube Red/Google Play Music (now YouTube Premium) subscription for years so I pay my fair share every month. The music companies apparently still think we are all thieves.
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Like Net Neutrality, they may think we aren’t paying enough.
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Just a couple of legal points against this law
- The general obligation to monitor the content that users are transmitting, directly opposes Article 15 of the E-Commerce Directive. This article prohibits general monitoring obligations for service providers. (eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32000L0031:en:HTML)
- The filtering requirement also contradicts Articles 8 and 11 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights. These articles protect people’s freedom of expression and access to information, as well as their personal data. (www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/pdf/text_en.pdf)
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Tomorrow is the vote, the latest text Of EU Copyright Directive was only recently released, and, according to TechDirt, It’s Even Worse Than Expected
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So let me get this straight. This is all bad because:
- You can’t use text preview for links
- You can’t publish any content you did not create
- Platform owners are responsible for what users publish on their platforms
Is that the brunt of it all?
Obviously being able to share the work of others is an important and powerful thing, and that might be what has people so up in arms here. I get that.
But if this law passes, and it probably will, is this really ‘the end of the internet’, as people keep writing?
I’m not in favour of the laws. I’m just trying to be clear about how bad they are and what I should expect to do at my own site now and in places like here and Mastodon.
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Also: image search will be outlawed.
Instead of this sh*t why don’t they make search engines ask sites to create a meta tag which allows text or image search. I know this could also be done with robots.txt but in this case it is used to block them as when the deny is not there, the search engines spider your site anyway. If the rules were reversed it would be much simpler for everyone.
In short only allow ‘indexing’ if meta-tags allow it. Simple, clean and efficient.
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Wonderful news!!!! I wish that I could just change this thread to [Solved] but although this battle was won, the war against our freedoms is not over.
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That’s a good sign. It will be considerably harder for proponents of the directive in September. The momentum has turned.
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I wouldn’t celebrate to quickly. I suspect it is mostly Google’s deep pockets that have defeated this. They would be liable for a huge amount of royalties under the proposal law – and music artists really do have a point about that. Of course some parts of the law are really shitty (art 11 and 13, …).
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phiw13 wrote #312860:
I wouldn’t celebrate to quickly. I suspect it is mostly Google’s deep pockets that have defeated this.
Are you suggesting Gungle bought off the European Parliament? Scandalous. ;)
Yeah, I’d say it’s a skirmish, not a battle (sorry Colak). The war will always be ongoing. But I’d like to think that everyone contacting their MEP had something to do with this.
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Destry wrote #312862:
Are you suggesting Gungle bought off the European Parliament? Scandalous. ;)
Hmm, did I? That is usually more the way-of-working of the MilSec people. Google and Facebook & co work more through proxies. By coincidence, Yasha Levin posted an interesting piece at the Baffler: All EFF’d Up (long). Be careful about your allies :-).
Yeah, I’d say it’s a skirmish, not a battle (sorry Colak). The war will always be ongoing. But I’d like to think that everyone contacting their MEP had something to do with this.
Right, a skirmish in the battle was won today. But the battle, and the war is far from over. Contacting MEPs certainly contributed to that.
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here’s my penny’s worth.
I agree that Gargle, Failbok etc might have been against the law. But let us not forget that so was EFF, wikimedia and many other more politically correct institutions. It is obvious that this law was mainly promoted by media moguls and is meant to boaster declining industries and declining financial models such as music sales (article 11). This law however will affect all of us… including textpattern (article 13).
The way I see it, if the moguls have any differences with Gargle or any other content distributor, let them fight it in court like so many kids who received fines for downloading copyrighted content. The laws regarding copyright are ample. In fact they are already too much IMHO.
We can not rely on algorithmic policing. People I know who teach AI tell me that AI can only be up to 92% accurate as anything over that would omit human circumstances. This means that for every one million people about 80,000 would be accused wrongly of copyright infringement. The law as it was proposed, was asking for filters which would presume your guilt NOT your innocence.
Yes, Googal and fakebook are not playing a fair game. Sue them directly. An activist in Austria is already suing fadebook.
To go against something and have allies whom we do not like, does not mean that you are on the wrong side, especially if you keep on reminding yourself, that your enemy’s enemies are not necessarily your friends.
>Edited to add that the above was some thoughts for Destry. Philippe, I’ll have to read your link later…
> Edit 2: I just read the article…. I’m not sure that I agree with it. I think that it actually confuses rights with rhetoric.
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It has always been my concern that a law which ostensibly was to protect, doesn’t. This kick on the law is good.
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