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#151 2018-04-21 18:42:33
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
Can’t do anything about quoted text I guess. But this’d hit any system the world over.
This whole “right to be forgotten” is ridiculous in real terms. I know that copyright laws are different for books, but as an analogy, say I published a book (my body of forum posts) that was a roaring success. People quoted it in their books (other posts) the world over, then I decide I didn’t want to be associated with it any more and asked my publisher (the forum) to exercise my right to be forgotten. What happens?
Delete the book (my posts) from circulation: fine. Make it not for sale any more (remove it from search engines). Great. But it’s still out there. People own it (may have copied it). Others may have quoted it (in other topic, on other social channels). How can I truly have everything about it purged?
It’s impossible to completely purge everything. All we can do is say we’ve done what we can here.
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#152 2018-04-21 23:21:44
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
Can a case be made that anything posted in a Forum belongs there forever. Letters to The Editor in a newspaper: there for ever. Comments made on a website: there for ever. An article published in a Book or Magazine: There for ever.
Were anyone to delete all their posts it would be a disservice to those that would benefit from the information offered.
In case of textpattern in the footer : Copyright 2004–2018 The Textpattern Development Team. Textpattern is both free and open source. GPLv2 license.
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#153 2018-04-21 23:32:00
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
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#154 2018-04-22 06:22:16
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
Here is another article on the right to be forgotten. For some, there are legitimate reasons for online erasure.
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#155 2018-04-22 08:17:41
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
Bloke wrote #311294:
I think you can choose to dump your own posts, one by one or in their entirety from your profile. At least, I have that option. Presumably as moderator, you could too. Anyone who doesn’t have that option for whatever reason can easily request a moderator to do it in their behalf.
All posts are public so we don’t need to provide a list on demand, per se. You can do that yourself by searching for your own posts.
I think we’re covered. Forums are opt-in by nature, largely transparent and we don’t market to anyone.
That all sounds good. Using the forum is a voluntary act, and no data collected from it is processed anyway, that I’m aware of, so that pretty much makes any request to access it or have it batch removed moot. People can take it upon themselves to do it, which also exempts you from that burden.
Though now that I think about, indepedent of gdpr worry, I would like to have an export of all my forum posts. That would be valuable; more than anything else I’ve got online at this point (sad). Lots of history in there; a couple of essays could be sifted out for sure.
Wasn’t there a purge once though a few years back?
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#156 2018-04-22 08:40:53
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
bici wrote #311299:
Can a case be made that anything posted in a Forum belongs there forever?
Absolutely not. That’s like saying you can’t edit your posts either, which is ludicrous. And I would radically change my participation if that were ever the case.
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#157 2018-04-22 09:00:37
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
bici wrote #311300:
A radical proposal to keep your personal data safe by Richard Stallman: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/03/facebook-abusing-data-law-privacy-big-tech-surveillance?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Gmail
One of the habits I’ve been in for a long time now is removing the tracking cruft from URLs whenever I share them. Sometimes I overlook it when in a hurry or fighting with the ridiculous phone keypad. It’s a courtesy thing, if nothing else, but also takes away from the exploiters benefiting from it.
People on Mastodon who are generally privacy proponents share a lot of links with Twitter or YouTube tracking cruft. They don’t do it on purpose, but theiy’re clearly not thinking about it either.
I’m not single you out. Just bringing it to light. Clean the URLs you share and use, everyone. It’s all part of the resistence playbook.
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#158 2018-04-22 09:09:52
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
What I really wanted to say, though… ;)
I agree with Stallman’s point of view about how software should be designed (and it seems logging as a plugin fits in with that idea), but he’s not the most eloquent writer. He needs someone teaming up with him on the messaging front, or I fear a lot of what he’s saying won’t reach the people that need to get the message.
Interesting phase of internet we’re in, though. Very interesting times.
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#159 2018-04-22 16:14:26
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
Destry wrote #311307:
One of the habits I’ve been in for a long time now is removing the tracking cruft from URLs whenever I share them.
can you provide an example with the URL i provided?
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#160 2018-04-22 16:17:23
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
Destry wrote #311306:
Absolutely not. That’s like saying you can’t edit your posts either, which is ludicrous. And I would radically change my participation if that were ever the case.
And yet there are many forums/blogs where once you have posted there is no editing/deleting.
This is not the case with Textpattern forum and i should have used another example. but the principal is the same
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#161 2018-04-22 16:44:51
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
bici wrote #311315:
can you provide an example with the URL i provided?
Hi Bici,
Destry did https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/03/facebook-abusing-data-law-privacy-big-tech-surveillance?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Gmail
the url could be shortened to https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/03/facebook-abusing-data-law-privacy-big-tech-surveillance
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#162 2018-04-22 16:54:02
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oh! thanks … i had not noticed that Destry had already cleaned the URL up.
I have learned something. Start of another great day.
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#163 2018-04-22 20:05:42
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
Bloke wrote #311296:
This whole “right to be forgotten” is ridiculous in real terms.
Fortunately it isn’t something that Americans have to worry about in the US because our First Amendment protects us from exactly this sort of idiotic idea.
I am saddened that Foreign Media has gone along with this. Instead of having applicants face the full Streisand effect the way Mario Costeja González did, they are now protecting these people with pet names.
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#164 2018-04-23 08:37:17
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
michaelkpate wrote #311322:
Fortunately it isn’t something that Americans have to worry about in the US because our First Amendment protects us from exactly this sort of idiotic idea.
Hi Michael,
I guess that there is always two sides to the coin. The way I understand the legal system in the States, many people end up in jail for very minor offences. In line with the freedom of information act, their photos and personal details are plastered on commercial websites, preventing many, the right to re-establish their lives and livelihoods once they are released.
Considering that the States has the second largest incarceration rate in the world and in combination with the privatisation of prisons and the Prison–industrial complex – which in my view is nothing less than modern day slavery – there seems to be a major flaw in the justice system.
There is currently a movement there to establish the right to be forgotten although I do not believe that it will succeed as so much of the US industry – both commercial and military – is depended on the cheap/slave labour of the prisoners.
Furthermore, there is always the Statute of limitations which should be applied and supersede the first amendment, in many cases.
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#165 2018-04-23 13:56:51
Re: Txp cookies, visitor logging, and GDPR stuff in general
colak wrote #311328:
Hi Michael,
I guess that there is always two sides to the coin. The way I understand the legal system in the States, many people end up in jail for very minor offences. In line with the freedom of information act, their photos and personal details are plastered on commercial websites, preventing many, the right to re-establish their lives and livelihoods once they are released.
We do indeed tend to impose harsher prison sentences than those you find in Europe. For instance, someone who engaged in a shootout with police that left 4 officers injured could probably expect a sentence that exceeded 20 years.
Considering that the States has the second largest incarceration rate in the world and in combination with the privatisation of prisons and the Prison–industrial complex – which in my view is nothing less than modern day slavery – there seems to be a major flaw in the justice system.
While we indeed do have privately-run prisons in some locations (which I agree is a stupid idea), this doesn’t actually effect sentencing or incarceration – all our courts are still run by the government.
There is currently a movement there to establish the right to be forgotten although I do not believe that it will succeed as so much of the US industry – both commercial and military – is depended on the cheap/slave labour of the prisoners.
Removing factual information from a search engine wouldn’t actually do very much as most employers (at least everyone I have ever worked for over the last 25 years) ask questions about an applicant’s criminal record. That has resulted in the Ban the Box Movement, with mixed results.
Furthermore, there is always the Statute of limitations which should be applied and supersede the first amendment, in many cases.
The Statute of Limitations is concerned with the length of time between a crime being discovered and the trial. I don’t think it applies after a conviction.
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