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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
It’s also awfully similar to what phpBB, vB and punBB (yeah, just scroll down) have been using to navigate subforums – for several years. It’s hardly revolutionary design.
I hadn’t seen Rob’s plugin until you just pointed out your accusations. I hardly read in the plugins-forum, I am glad when I find the time to read through most of the troubleshooting, bug reports and emails. To assume we knew and try to cover up is not only ridiculous but insulting. The checkins are full of credits, what would be the motivation to make an exception in this case? (<—rhetorical question; just though I’d point that out before someone starts making up stuff)
Last edited by Sencer (2005-08-11 17:12:54)
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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
My brother…my brother mind you…once told me that he saw a chap who looked exactly like me in Portland, Oregon; but so far we’ve never crossed paths.
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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
wow. well i’m personally surprised by this whole thing.
i am surprised Dean hadn’t seen the quikpik hack and then plugin… it’s had more attention than most textpattern mods.. i neglected it for a while at first but it was so often and enthusiastically mentioned that i had to use it too..
i am surprised that this has become an argument so quickly.. i guess Kenneth’s entry was accusatory, but if you look at what he’s referring to, i’m sure you can understand where he was coming from.
when i saw the changeset with the new addition of the popup nav feature, i thought it had been a mistake that the rss_quikpik had not been mentioned.
and there have been a lot of plugins that have been made into core features without acknowledging the plugin author. this one had just seemed so thorough and completely the same feature, and was so often raved about by textpatterners, it seemed to me natural to have mentioned the reference.
but if Dean really never saw it, then he really never saw it. that explains a lot of it, and surely that’s fair to everyone involved. no reason to keep being angry at each other.. i still associate the popup nav with the rss_quikpik because they really are that similar, but if they were formed and created completely independently, then that’s that.
then Rob and Dean both had the same excellent idea, and we get the benefit of using it.
so, sincerely, thank you to both Rob and Dean.
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#28 2005-08-11 17:45:17
- Mary
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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
For those who are not programming or scripting inclined, I actually have compared the sources. They are nowhere near the same. (I’d post them so you can see, but code posting is even more screwed up now. Dean?)
It would be a copy if he used Rob’s code, you can’t copyright an idea. But since Dean’s never even heard of it, we should all move on with our productive lives.
By the way Dean, what’s happening with the new extended blockcode Textile syntax? I noticed some weird things happening with it.
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Agreed Mary. I guess I’d prefer if work that I’ve done not cause big arguments and name calling.
Thank you kenneth and alicson for the support. Maybe best to table this discussion now. Just one less plugin for me to support.
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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
I think we are overlooking a fundamental problem here: that that picture of Cutman in Kenneth’s icon just looks so darn angry , it makes his comments seem a lot more offensive than they usually are ;p
After enduring years of Art School, mild mannered Owen Waring noticed some unusual changes… the constant bombardment of criticism, it seems, had altered his DNA. Half pixel pusher, half programmer, he had become…. THE BIZARTIST
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bizartist – that could be it. maybe i need a bizarro icon instead. or just end everything with “bizarro, i love you!”
Listen to Kenneth
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Or you could get a little photoshop action going and make Cutman into a pimp.
Tagline: “don’t make me cut you, foo’”
After enduring years of Art School, mild mannered Owen Waring noticed some unusual changes… the constant bombardment of criticism, it seems, had altered his DNA. Half pixel pusher, half programmer, he had become…. THE BIZARTIST
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I guess I’d prefer if work that I’ve done not cause big arguments and name calling.
Course not. Do please keep on doing the things you’re doing: glad to have been introduced to your work.
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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
Meh.
Great minds, etc. etc. All ideas will eventually be subsumed into TextMind. TextMind knows what you’re thinking right now. TextMind will never again look at brussels sprouts the same way. You sicko.
You cooin’ with my bird?
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#35 2005-08-12 05:36:23
- zem
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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
Second, it’s been around for 9 months now. Busy or not, I’d think someone on the development team would notice a popular plugin after that amount of time. Hell, even Zem has a link on his site to Rob’s site. Obviously it’s not some hidden little plugin that no one cared about or used.
I don’t want to reignite an argument, but I think there’s a constructive point to make here.
It ought to be pretty obvious now that the developers are busy people. Most of the time we spend on Textpattern goes tracking down and fixing bugs, and preventing new ones from occurring.
I regularly see comments on the forums about how someone is waiting for a particular problem to be fixed, or a feature to work on a particular platform, or a limitation to be removed – and the issue is one none of us on the dev team have ever heard of.
It’s not a conspiracy or symptom of neglect. There are far more things discussed on the forums than we could ever follow; and it’d be a huge waste of time (and drain on progress) for us to try.
The problems that get fixed are the ones that are brought to our attention clearly, consisely and with all the necessary information. And the features that get added are the ones that are submitted to the dev team as clean, simple, tested, fresh patches.
So please, don’t assume that the developers Know Everything And Are Secretly Keeping It From You. We don’t go hunting for plugins to turn into features because most of the time there’s no good reason to put them in the core. I’d never seen Rob’s plugin either (I’ve hardly touched my own recently); I had a vague idea someone had done something like that, but no idea what state the code was and no reason to think it was worth investigating. There were no posts in the Feature Requests forum suggesting that it be added to the core, and nobody submitted a patch or even a suggestion to the dev team.
If there’s a feature missing or a problem to be solved, please don’t sit on your hands waiting for the dev team to get around to it, because chances are we’re busy working on something else. There are lots of constructive things you can do to help, even if you’re not a PHP expert. Finding important information that’s buried somewhere on page <del>eight</del> two of a forum topic and making sure there’s a corresponding bug report or feature request, for example.
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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
On the subject of moving things, maybe moving back to the subject of the ergonomics of the admin area might help a little: now that the nav dropdown has been moved to the header as of revision 754, can we also move the “logged in as user” and logout link to the top of the page, as nice as it is by the txp logo? As categories, links and article lists get longer, it becomes a long trip to the bottom of the page to find the logout. Not a big deal (just thought the thread could use a push in a different direction).
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