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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
i was also quite surprised not to see rob’s name/rss_quikpik referenced at least in the changeset notes. of course we all recognize it…the quikpik’s been kind of a staple add-on admin feature for a while.. but still..
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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
> kennethlove666 wrote:
> Not trying to take credit for someone else’s work are you?
Man. Not enough coffee today, or too much? I understand that plug-in authors would welcome some credit, but the line I’ve quoted seems way over the snark line. Especially for someone who doesn’t even appear to have a “powered by Textpattern” link on their home page.
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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
reid – it’s a question, no snark to it. and as for a “powered by textpattern” button or link, my “about” section has a link to textpattern, and i’ve repeated written about the application, both pros and cons.
i’m sorry i’m not a textpattern fanboy.
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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
So why isn’t there any mention of Rob’s creation, Dean? Not trying to take credit for someone else’s work are you?
Sorry, what?
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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
Your nav dropdown, Dean. It’s a direct copy of Rob’s QuikPik plugin that’s been around since RC3 last November. It’s even more of a copy now that you put it in the top bar instead of below everything. I think it only right that you at least mention his original creation somewhere.
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Hadn’t heard of it. Kindly shove the accusation of plagiarism, mkay?
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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
That would be a copy if Dean took some code out of it (is this the case?) – in fact, he would have to keep the copyright in that case – or at least take strong inspiration from it.
But you know, there are some 67000 post in the TXP forum, I seriously doubt Dean, or Alex, or Pedro, or Sencer, read them all. That’s a luxury we leisure geek have, these man spare no time, no tears, no blood to code for the glory of the … need a new pill
More seriously, its not because the idea is similar that it’s a plagia.
Last edited by Jeremie (2005-08-11 16:44:49)
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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
First, notice the similarities.
Second, it’s been around for 9 months now. Busy or not, I’d think someone on the development team would notice a popular plugin after that amount of time. Hell, even Zem has a link on his site to Rob’s site. Obviously it’s not some hidden little plugin that no one cared about or used.
You may not have taken code, Dean, but I find it hard to believe that such a close development wasn’t at least partially inspired by Rob’s code. At the very least, he deserves recognition for creating the system in the first place.
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What part of ‘Hadn’t heard of it’ are you not getting? Never saw it, never used it, not even remotely ‘at least partially inspired’ by it. Sorry. And once again, since the accusation apparently still stands, shove it.
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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
It’s also awfully similar to what phpBB, vB and punBB (yeah, just scroll down) have been using to navigate subforums – for several years. It’s hardly revolutionary design.
I hadn’t seen Rob’s plugin until you just pointed out your accusations. I hardly read in the plugins-forum, I am glad when I find the time to read through most of the troubleshooting, bug reports and emails. To assume we knew and try to cover up is not only ridiculous but insulting. The checkins are full of credits, what would be the motivation to make an exception in this case? (<—rhetorical question; just though I’d point that out before someone starts making up stuff)
Last edited by Sencer (2005-08-11 17:12:54)
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My brother…my brother mind you…once told me that he saw a chap who looked exactly like me in Portland, Oregon; but so far we’ve never crossed paths.
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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
wow. well i’m personally surprised by this whole thing.
i am surprised Dean hadn’t seen the quikpik hack and then plugin… it’s had more attention than most textpattern mods.. i neglected it for a while at first but it was so often and enthusiastically mentioned that i had to use it too..
i am surprised that this has become an argument so quickly.. i guess Kenneth’s entry was accusatory, but if you look at what he’s referring to, i’m sure you can understand where he was coming from.
when i saw the changeset with the new addition of the popup nav feature, i thought it had been a mistake that the rss_quikpik had not been mentioned.
and there have been a lot of plugins that have been made into core features without acknowledging the plugin author. this one had just seemed so thorough and completely the same feature, and was so often raved about by textpatterners, it seemed to me natural to have mentioned the reference.
but if Dean really never saw it, then he really never saw it. that explains a lot of it, and surely that’s fair to everyone involved. no reason to keep being angry at each other.. i still associate the popup nav with the rss_quikpik because they really are that similar, but if they were formed and created completely independently, then that’s that.
then Rob and Dean both had the same excellent idea, and we get the benefit of using it.
so, sincerely, thank you to both Rob and Dean.
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#28 2005-08-11 17:45:17
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Re: Admin plugin request: nav dropdown to header
For those who are not programming or scripting inclined, I actually have compared the sources. They are nowhere near the same. (I’d post them so you can see, but code posting is even more screwed up now. Dean?)
It would be a copy if he used Rob’s code, you can’t copyright an idea. But since Dean’s never even heard of it, we should all move on with our productive lives.
By the way Dean, what’s happening with the new extended blockcode Textile syntax? I noticed some weird things happening with it.
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Agreed Mary. I guess I’d prefer if work that I’ve done not cause big arguments and name calling.
Thank you kenneth and alicson for the support. Maybe best to table this discussion now. Just one less plugin for me to support.
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I think we are overlooking a fundamental problem here: that that picture of Cutman in Kenneth’s icon just looks so darn angry , it makes his comments seem a lot more offensive than they usually are ;p
After enduring years of Art School, mild mannered Owen Waring noticed some unusual changes… the constant bombardment of criticism, it seems, had altered his DNA. Half pixel pusher, half programmer, he had become…. THE BIZARTIST
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