RSS version update?

jiraiya · 2005-10-13 22:15:40

I started using RSS more prominently and I noticed that when I add the RSS feed to My Yahoo, the feeds do not show the proper date of posting. I went to check out the feed source and I noticed the RSS in Texpattern is version 0.92. There are also no date of posting in the RSS feed.

Are there plans to updating the RSS version or are there plugins that mods this to add dates?

zem · 2005-10-13 22:53:11

We could use some help.

Interest appears to be minimal sofar.

darrepac · 2005-11-02 08:17:37

Interest is there to solve rss issue….but it is not clear to me what you want?
My rss reader oftenly tell me the rss is corrupted… I though it was just a standard to comply with… I have send the issue to the other post you refer to but it seems it was not what you expected…

davidm · 2005-11-03 10:12:48

Surprised you did not point the FAQ’s answer out, zem : FAQ > Why RSS 0.92
For those who wonder… everything is explained :-)

NyteOwl · 2005-11-03 21:55:45

Yes, well there is one version of RSS that actually conforms to an existing data standard. RSS 1.0 uses a standard W3C RDF structure for it’s XML. You might consider including it in the next release.

The-Exit · 2005-11-03 22:15:46

The time stamp problem would be for me also an issue. I get mails from readers, complaining about “new” articles in their readers, when I change something in the article. The are used to get a kind of “article updated” flag an not a completley new article. so some article may appear several times in the reader.

ubernostrum · 2005-11-04 04:53:28

NyteOwl wrote:
> Yes, well there is one version of RSS that actually conforms to an existing data standard. RSS 1.0
> uses a standard W3C RDF structure for it’s XML. You might consider including it in the next release.

And XML 1.0 isn’t an “existing data standard”?

technosailor · 2005-11-13 23:33:57

Frankly, Textpattern’s lack of willingness to be a leader by using RSS 2.0 anyway is shameful. The excuse provided in the FAQ communicates one thing: laziness. I have used several blogging platforms, all of which have chosen to use RSS 2 in one form or another.

Furthermore, the inability to move along, despite more than ample need with the timestamp issue, is huge. It’s almost like RSS is a second thought. Do the devs realize that an RSS feed without proper timestamps ruin the ability of RSS readers to cope. This is not acceptable in today’s day and age.

My advice to Dean and friends, don’t wait for a standard. Do it yourself. Just do it. Use the WordPress model if you need to find a working model. They have millions of blogs all with RSS 2.0 support. And they all work, whether part of a standard or not. Just do it.

zem · 2005-11-13 23:43:56

My advice to Dean and friends, don’t wait for a standard. Do it yourself. Just do it.

Thanks for volunteering. You’ll find a description of what we need in this thread.

ubernostrum · 2005-11-13 23:58:35

> technosailor wrote:
> Frankly, Textpattern’s lack of willingness to be a leader by using RSS 2.0 anyway is shameful.

Frankly, your posting that has more of a negative impact on preceptions of you than on perceptions of the dev team.

> The excuse provided in the FAQ communicates one thing: laziness.

Two lines into your post, and already you’ve flung two insults at the developers. Yes, that’s a very constructive way to go about requesting a change.

The response in the FAQ, to me, makes sense; back when TXP was first being developed, RSS 0.92 was the state of the art. Later, support for Atom was added, but other features and fixes have been given higher priority than upping the RSS version number.

> I have used several blogging platforms, all of which have chosen to use RSS 2 in one form or another.
> Furthermore, the inability to move along, despite more than ample need with the timestamp issue, is huge.
> It’s almost like RSS is a second thought. Do the devs realize that an RSS feed without proper timestamps
> ruin the ability of RSS readers to cope. This is not acceptable in today’s day and age.

Texpattern generates perfectly good Atom 1.0 feeds.

> My advice to Dean and friends, don’t wait for a standard. Do it yourself. Just do it. Use the WordPress model
> if you need to find a working model. They have millions of blogs all with RSS 2.0 support. And they all work,
> whether part of a standard or not. Just do it.

My advice to you: the version number of a syndication format is an unbelievably insignifcant thing to a large majority of people. Further, Textpattern provides Atom feeds out of the box which have any and all of the features you’d get from RSS 2.0 feeds, so even though TXP uses an “older” version of RSS, there’s no functionality lost.

And if the name and/or version number of a particular part of incorporated technology is more important to you than ensuring that users are provided with functionality, or if you often find yourself so worked up about issues of this sort that you need to jump into a forum and fling insults at developers, then perhaps Textpattern isn’t for you.

Mary · 2005-11-14 00:19:08

Further responses shall be devoid of name-calling and false motive accusations, including “apologies” containing more of the same. Constructive and adult discussion please.

ubernostrum · 2005-11-14 00:55:17

> mary wrote:
> Constructive and adult discussion please.

Where’s the fun in that? :(

I do feel, though, that since TXP offers Atom 1.0 out of the box, upping the RSS version number wouldn’t be the most productive use of developer time. If someone wants to submit a patch, that’s a different story, but at the moment there’s not any functionality missing except insofar as the functionality is called “Atom” instead of “RSS”, so I feel like there are other more pressing things to do.

technosailor · 2005-11-14 03:13:29

My apologies with no name calling. :-)

I was very brash, I know. Let me explain where I’m coming from. I don’t mind using Atom. However I want to use RSS. RSS 0.92 does not support pubDate. It’s not simply a matter of labelling differences. And while you may find Atom to be a perfectly acceptable alternative (and it is in many cases), the assumption that it is and should therefore be accepted universally is not acceptable to me.

Now having had another conversation on the matter, I realize development is ongoing and for that I’m very grateful. I will do my best to assist in this process because, for some, Atom is not an acceptable alternative.

You may also want to take a look at the RSS 2.0 spec if you are not familiar with it. It provides samples for an 0.92 feed and a 2.0 feed.

They are very different. Not just label different.

There…no name calling. :-)

Mary · 2005-11-14 03:38:59

They are very different. Not just label different.

Which is exactly what we’ve been saying. You misunderstand the reasoning, as well as the developers’ experience and motivation.

Unfortunately, RSS is plagued by ambiguous and sometimes contradictory specifications, and a confusing plethora of competing standards.

That’s still very true.

You want RSS 2.0? Okay, no one is invalidating your choice. Sure, sit still long enough and I’d tell you: use Atom, because I personally like it better. Which is not the same as saying, “We won’t ever support RSS, so go away”.

The problem is when you have at least nine different versions, all incompatible with one another, which one do you pick? There have been ones invented before and after 2.0. In addition, how do you know “they” won’t invent another new standard, also incompatible with the rest?

Indeed, the WordPress developers just figured to cover a couple different ones (that feature may actually be from B2, I honestly don’t know), but even it does not cover them all. I don’t like the idea of that. Reality arrives: one or more of the alternate versions won’t be truly supported, because of the effort and time needed to cover them all. And so we return to “pick a version, any version”.

This is also not the only feed-related issue being dealt with, some arguably more important, and there has been little input from anyone except “Give me RSS 2.0.” That’s a valid request, but you see that doesn’t actually help anyone get the work done.

1beb · 2005-11-14 06:42:33

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