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#73 2018-09-10 11:39:06

Destry
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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Destry wrote #313893:

it does end on a hopeful note with that list of reasons decentralization could take off.

Speaking hopeful (‘Hope for the Future’, anyone), I didn’t realize the Internet Archive blog was so interesting. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. That one is going into the feed reader.

Identity in the Decentralized Web

‘A DID is simply a URI, a familiar piece of text to most people nowadays. (DID Foundation) Each DID references a record stored in a blockchain. DIDs are not tied to any particular blockchain, and so they’re interoperable with existing and future technologies. DIDs are cryptographically secure as well.

‘(While DIDs are promising, it is a nascent technology. Other options are under development. . . .)

‘What does the future hold for self-sovereign identification? From what I saw at the Decentralized Web, I’m certain a solution will be found.’

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#74 2018-09-10 12:23:02

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Destry wrote #313967:

A DID is simply a URI, a familiar piece of text to most people nowadays. (DID Foundation) Each DID references a record stored in a blockchain. DIDs are not tied to any particular blockchain, and so they’re interoperable with existing and future technologies. DIDs are cryptographically secure as well.

It sounds like a sort of hybrid between an URN (Uniform Resource Name) and OpenID. The former is pretty standard in Academia while the latter was a promising technology that most Internet companies refused to implement correctly.

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#75 2018-09-14 14:30:18

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Funny. And not a bad idea, maybe.

Ah, he changed it!

It used to look like this (which I just happened to still have open in a tab, heh):

Copyright (c) Jamie Kyle

This license is granted to everyone except for the following entities and
any of their subsidiaries:

- "Microsoft Corporation" (for working with ICE)
- "Palantir Technologies" (for working with ICE)
- "Amazon.com, Inc." (for abusive treatment of workers and for working with ICE)
- "Northeastern University" (for working with ICE)
- "Ernst & Young" (for working with ICE)
- "Thomson Reuters" (for working with ICE)
- "Motorola Solutions" (for working with ICE)
- "Deloitte Consulting LLP" (for working with ICE)
- "John Hopkins University" (for working with ICE)
- "Dell Inc" (for working with ICE)
- "Xerox Corporation" (for working with ICE)
- "Canon Inc" (for working with ICE)
- "Vermont State Colleges" (for working with ICE)
- "Charter Communications"/"Spectrum"/"Time Warner Cable" (for working with ICE)
- "LinkedIn Corporation" (for working with ICE)
- "United Parcel Service Co" (for working with ICE)
- "Walmart Inc" (for abusive treatment of workers)
- "Sears Holding Corporation" (for abusive treatment of workers)
- "Apple Inc" (for abusive treatment of workers)
- "Tyson Foods Inc" (for abusive treatment of workers)
- "Target Corporation" (for union busting and anti-union propaganda)
- "The H&M group" (for abusive treatment of workers)
- "Tesla, Inc" (for abusive treatment of workers)

MIT License

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all
copies or substantial portions of the Software.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE
AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM,
OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE
SOFTWARE.

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#76 2018-09-30 07:37:14

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

This might be of interest to people who are interested in decentralisation.

fastcompany.com/90243936/exclusive-tim-berners-lee-tells-us-his-radical-new-plan-to-upend-the-world-wide-web

solid.inrupt.com

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#77 2018-09-30 11:16:42

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Algaris wrote #314301:

This might be of interest to people who are interested in decentralisation.

fastcompany.com/90243936/exclusive-tim-berners-lee-tells-us-his-radical-new-plan-to-upend-the-world-wide-web

solid.inrupt.com

The little I looked at it, and despite my respect for Berners Lee, it still looks like a data mining system to me.


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#78 2018-10-02 08:58:50

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

I think it’s safe to say decentralization is now on everyone’s radar — at least those who must make the first developmental steps to bring it to the masses.

This thing TBL and his people have been working on is not the only avenue. But due to his name and history, it will certainly get a lot of attention. I have no impression on it yet; no clue what the hell it even does. But I have seen mixed sentiments expressed, along the lines of… TBL just needs to retire already.

In any case, another avenue that is getting a lot of attention is DAT. Again, I don’t know much about it, but it’s being talked about a lot in M’don. Quite a few people have setup their own publishing systems using it (e.g. Aral), but I think it provides for a lot more than that.

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#79 2018-10-02 09:01:28

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Rocket Chat looks good.

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#80 2018-10-02 09:58:22

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Best way to decentralise.

  1. no social media, centralised or not.
  2. platform neutral apps which could be connected together. ie feeds, comment systems etc.
  3. all data posted belongs to the individual posting them. ie a comment could be posted via the poster’s site to the receiving one (where it will display) until the poster decides to delete it.
  4. control/moderation from the receiving sites
  5. backward compatibility – I had enough of having to change my hardware every 5 years.

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#81 2018-10-03 10:31:43

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

colak wrote #314321:

Best way to decentralise.

  1. no social media, centralised or not.
  2. platform neutral apps which could be connected together. ie feeds, comment systems etc.
  3. all data posted belongs to the individual posting them. ie a comment could be posted via the poster’s site to the receiving one (where it will display) until the poster decides to delete it.
  4. control/moderation from the receiving sites
  5. backward compatibility – I had enough of having to change my hardware every 5 years.

That makes such a lot of sense, I bet most of us here will agree. But those in power want things they can make money out of, they want to use social media to win votes, so they’re not going to give it up. The masses are addicted to social media and hardware/software latest new things, so it will take something very appealing to lure them away. I hope TBL has created something great, I can’t tell if it is or isn’t yet, or at least something useful or inspiring enough to turn into something closer to what you want, Yiannis, because something is certainly needed and, as TBL says, needed right now.


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#82 2018-10-19 18:33:38

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In using Big Tech’s services, we manufacture a portion of its capital in real time. Property rights over that portion – for all of us, rather than for any of us – should be the basis of a universal basic income. Yanis Varoufakis, What Has Google Ever Done for Us?


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#83 2018-12-10 12:57:43

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

This is significant. NextCloud, a decentralized cloud storage server has provided the ability to integrate with the fediverse. There’s an estimated 100K NextCloud servers in operation right now, with who knows how many users on each, that’s another big influx of users to the fediverse.

You may have read about the tumbler fiasco in the last few days. This, along with the recent advances of federated blog software brought a huge wave of tumbler immigrants to the fediverse. People fed up with the on-going manipulations of that platform by the gatekeepers. Mastodon received a lot of them.

In other news, I found an old Txp user (VC 52) from way back, fncll. Rather, he signed up another account on my instance and I recognized the name when he started posting. Funny how people cling to their nicks. Those don’t mean much in the fediverse.

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#84 2019-01-28 15:32:20

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Why I like M’don. It keeps the ordinary, SF-conventions-expecting boobs away.

The irony here is that person was somewhat complaining about the unconventional nature of M’don.

That just made it sweeter for me. ;)

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