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#71 2018-09-07 08:30:41

Destry
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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

michaelkpate wrote #313889:

Nothing shows your love of decentralized software like publishing your essay on Medium. :)

Yep.

This is a running joke in M’don too. I think if there’s one reason I keep using M’don, it’s because so many there actually see the shit through the mud. Hapless newbies brainwashed on centralized platforms arrive and exhibit all these fresh off the Twitter boat habits and quickly hear about it. It’s nice. ;)


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#72 2018-09-07 09:31:30

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

colak wrote #313639:

A very thoughtful article on the decentralised web.

It’s a fairly written article, though there are some points I see in there that could be nitpicked for validity — e.g. it might be functionally possible for centralized platforms to be ‘GDPRable’ and ‘the right to be forgetable’, but their VC-enforced obligations to be ‘monetizable’ rarely permits that to any ‘easier to usable’ degree (i.e. they are certainly ‘onboardable’, but not easily offboardable) — but I won’t bother with that because it does end on a hopeful note with that list of reasons decentralization could take off.

For those paying attention to this stuff, some of those things are beginning to happen…

No. 1 from that list: Big tech reputations right now are suffering, and I see articles daily showing how they don’t seem to be adjusting their heading. It’s only their extreme wealth, established reach, and government arrangements that hold back the damage so far. It may not last.

No. 2: Radically cheaper cost? I’m not sure what he’s suggesting there. Centralized has only become successful and engrained in society because of VC money kickstarting it (with very few exceptions, like Basecamp). And because there’s a mean ROI involved, it’s very cut-throat and marketing aggressive. Thus the ad-tech, user tracking, AI and algos, yadda yadda. So if ‘cheaper cost’ means getting a buttload of money to play with that needs to be forever paid back with interest… Whatever. I don’t see how FOSS software is any less cheap, on the contrary, and when people’s privacy and rights aren’t being abused, they’re generally happy to donate to keeping it that way. This is working out very well so far in M’don. But the next five years will be interesting to see how this plays out.

No.3: I’d say it’s getting fashionable. It’s early, but it’s happening with the early adopters, as these things always do proceed. The fact that decentralization is in the news a lot lately is evidence alone that people are thinking about it now more than ever before. Even the VCs are eyeballing any possible opportunities, which is why the Decentralized Web Summit took place in San Francisco. Bet on it. (Keeping them out, however, is imperative, or it’s right back to using centralized again.)

No. 4: The decentralization movement has a way to go with ‘superior designed applications’ but it’s riding on the tails of the open source movement in general, which has made a lot of advance in this respect. Look at FOSS OSs now compared to ten years ago. That momentum will continue. And M’don, is largely successful in a short period of time — far more so than GNU Social or Diaspora, as two examples of the same kind of software — because it’s UI is designed better. It’s not perfect, and the brainwashed still gripe, but the default design has clearly proven to have made a difference on the adoption angle. Anyone can take the software and build their own skins or pipe it through a different interface, which is what things like Brutaldon and Pinafore have done. Designers only need take an interest and it could go so much further.

No. 5: Geographical isolation… I guess. That probably comes from a political/borders perspective. But it makes me think of another decentralized angle, which is Scuttlebutt. The idea there is decentralization for those who must be offline for periods of a time, then when online again your content is federated. It’s a very cool concept, and I like that it comes from the idea of patchy internet connections and being in remote places (middle of the ocean, top of a mountain, etc/wherever).

No. 6: Neanderthals / Humans. I think he made a mistake suggesting a division in people, and especially one with underlying notions of contrasting intelligence and progress. But I’ll just say that I don’t want access to 90% of the so-called ‘humans’ of society. I don’t want access to 90% of the fediverse. I’m pretty sure I’m not alone. So the mistake, I think, is comparing these things on any numbers-as-success level, if that’s what he’s doing, because it’s entirely beside the point of decentralizing. Humans that keep thinking that way are clearly still caught up in the capitalism aspects of centralization. The growth, the marketing, the profit off of sheeple… Fuck that shit. Tear it all down.


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#73 2018-09-10 11:39:06

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Destry wrote #313893:

it does end on a hopeful note with that list of reasons decentralization could take off.

Speaking hopeful (‘Hope for the Future’, anyone), I didn’t realize the Internet Archive blog was so interesting. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. That one is going into the feed reader.

Identity in the Decentralized Web

‘A DID is simply a URI, a familiar piece of text to most people nowadays. (DID Foundation) Each DID references a record stored in a blockchain. DIDs are not tied to any particular blockchain, and so they’re interoperable with existing and future technologies. DIDs are cryptographically secure as well.

‘(While DIDs are promising, it is a nascent technology. Other options are under development. . . .)

‘What does the future hold for self-sovereign identification? From what I saw at the Decentralized Web, I’m certain a solution will be found.’


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#74 2018-09-10 12:23:02

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Destry wrote #313967:

A DID is simply a URI, a familiar piece of text to most people nowadays. (DID Foundation) Each DID references a record stored in a blockchain. DIDs are not tied to any particular blockchain, and so they’re interoperable with existing and future technologies. DIDs are cryptographically secure as well.

It sounds like a sort of hybrid between an URN (Uniform Resource Name) and OpenID. The former is pretty standard in Academia while the latter was a promising technology that most Internet companies refused to implement correctly.

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#75 2018-09-14 14:30:18

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Funny. And not a bad idea, maybe.

Ah, he changed it!

It used to look like this (which I just happened to still have open in a tab, heh):

Copyright (c) Jamie Kyle

This license is granted to everyone except for the following entities and
any of their subsidiaries:

- "Microsoft Corporation" (for working with ICE)
- "Palantir Technologies" (for working with ICE)
- "Amazon.com, Inc." (for abusive treatment of workers and for working with ICE)
- "Northeastern University" (for working with ICE)
- "Ernst & Young" (for working with ICE)
- "Thomson Reuters" (for working with ICE)
- "Motorola Solutions" (for working with ICE)
- "Deloitte Consulting LLP" (for working with ICE)
- "John Hopkins University" (for working with ICE)
- "Dell Inc" (for working with ICE)
- "Xerox Corporation" (for working with ICE)
- "Canon Inc" (for working with ICE)
- "Vermont State Colleges" (for working with ICE)
- "Charter Communications"/"Spectrum"/"Time Warner Cable" (for working with ICE)
- "LinkedIn Corporation" (for working with ICE)
- "United Parcel Service Co" (for working with ICE)
- "Walmart Inc" (for abusive treatment of workers)
- "Sears Holding Corporation" (for abusive treatment of workers)
- "Apple Inc" (for abusive treatment of workers)
- "Tyson Foods Inc" (for abusive treatment of workers)
- "Target Corporation" (for union busting and anti-union propaganda)
- "The H&M group" (for abusive treatment of workers)
- "Tesla, Inc" (for abusive treatment of workers)

MIT License

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all
copies or substantial portions of the Software.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE
AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM,
OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE
SOFTWARE.

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#76 2018-09-30 07:37:14

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

This might be of interest to people who are interested in decentralisation.

fastcompany.com/90243936/exclusive-tim-berners-lee-tells-us-his-radical-new-plan-to-upend-the-world-wide-web

solid.inrupt.com

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#77 2018-09-30 11:16:42

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Algaris wrote #314301:

This might be of interest to people who are interested in decentralisation.

fastcompany.com/90243936/exclusive-tim-berners-lee-tells-us-his-radical-new-plan-to-upend-the-world-wide-web

solid.inrupt.com

The little I looked at it, and despite my respect for Berners Lee, it still looks like a data mining system to me.


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#78 2018-10-02 08:58:50

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

I think it’s safe to say decentralization is now on everyone’s radar — at least those who must make the first developmental steps to bring it to the masses.

This thing TBL and his people have been working on is not the only avenue. But due to his name and history, it will certainly get a lot of attention. I have no impression on it yet; no clue what the hell it even does. But I have seen mixed sentiments expressed, along the lines of… TBL just needs to retire already.

In any case, another avenue that is getting a lot of attention is DAT. Again, I don’t know much about it, but it’s being talked about a lot in M’don. Quite a few people have setup their own publishing systems using it (e.g. Aral), but I think it provides for a lot more than that.


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#79 2018-10-02 09:01:28

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Rocket Chat looks good.


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#80 2018-10-02 09:58:22

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Re: Decentralized software alternatives

Best way to decentralise.

  1. no social media, centralised or not.
  2. platform neutral apps which could be connected together. ie feeds, comment systems etc.
  3. all data posted belongs to the individual posting them. ie a comment could be posted via the poster’s site to the receiving one (where it will display) until the poster decides to delete it.
  4. control/moderation from the receiving sites
  5. backward compatibility – I had enough of having to change my hardware every 5 years.

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