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#73 2018-04-27 05:40:20

colak
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Re: Testers needed: flat development (4.7+ only)

The Reset button in the images seems slightly confusing before first use. Is it possible to have it hidden before an image for upload is selected?


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#74 2018-04-27 06:57:12

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Re: Testers needed: flat development (4.7+ only)

The upload button could also be hidden until something is selected IMO.

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#75 2018-04-27 07:08:33

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Re: Testers needed: flat development (4.7+ only)

philwareham wrote #311461:

The upload button could also be hidden until something is selected IMO.

The Upload button is not as much of a UI problem to me as it indicates that the image will be uploaded only after it is selected and the button is clicked. Without it, some may think that the image will be uploaded on selection…

These are of course very minor observations and after a single use, these functions become very apparent.


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#76 2018-04-27 08:18:34

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Re: Testers needed: flat development (4.7+ only)

colak wrote #311462:

The Upload button is not as much of a UI problem to me as it indicates that the image will be uploaded only after it is selected and the button is clicked. Without it, some may think that the image will be uploaded on selection…

OK, good point.

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#77 2018-04-27 08:19:55

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Re: Testers needed: flat development (4.7+ only)

philwareham wrote #311461:

The upload button could also be hidden until something is selected IMO.

I agree with Colak on this. It makes the sequence of actions clear. The “Reset” button… hmm, maybe, not so sure though. After a first (batch of) upload, the input field still keeps the data, so it should be possible to clear it.


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#78 2018-04-27 09:51:16

etc
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Re: Testers needed: flat development (4.7+ only)

colak wrote #311460:

The Reset button in the images seems slightly confusing before first use. Is it possible to have it hidden before an image for upload is selected?

philwareham wrote #311461:

The upload button could also be hidden until something is selected IMO.

Wrong thread, gentlemen! :-) Still, the Reset button is a standard <input type="reset" /> that applies to the whole upload form, not only fileinput. I’d leave its management with browsers.

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#79 2018-04-27 13:19:04

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Re: Testers needed: flat development (4.7+ only)

etc wrote #311469:

Wrong thread, gentlemen! :-) Still, the Reset button is a standard <input type="reset" /> that applies to the whole upload form, not only fileinput. I’d leave its management with browsers.

Fair enough…. And you are right… It is the wrong thread! Apologies.


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#80 2018-05-10 20:44:58

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Re: Testers needed: flat development (4.7+ only)

To continue testing flat resources (css, js etc) output in 4.7, you do not need to activate the following plugin anymore:

# Name: etc_easter_eggs v0.5 
# Type: Admin/Public/AJAX plugin
# 
# Author: 
# URL: 
# Recommended load order: 5

# .....................................................................
# This is a plugin for Textpattern CMS - http://textpattern.com/
# To install: textpattern > admin > plugins
# Paste the following text into the 'Install plugin' box:
# .....................................................................

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DISCLAIMER: we hope to “officially” integrate this functionality in 4.7.2+, but probably certainly in a different way. So please be ready for changes if you use it now.

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#81 2018-05-10 22:55:35

jakob
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Re: Testers needed: flat development (4.7+ only)

etc wrote #311679:

To continue testing flat resources (css, js etc) output in 4.7-rc, you need to activate the following plugin:

# Name: etc_easter_eggs v0.2...

DISCLAIMER: we hope to “officially” integrate this functionality in 4.7.1+, but probably in a different way. So please be ready for changes if you use it now.

Hi Oleg, can you briefly explain why (what it does). I take it we need to include this in addition to your earlier etc_flat?

I’ve tried etc_flat now in normal and multisite installations, and it works nicely once you get into a proper workflow.
You just need to remember a) you need to be logged in and b) in testing or debugging mode. I’ve confused myself a number of times when trying in another browser (where I was, of course, not logged in) or after uploading from local to online where status is switched to live and I then wonder why my changes haven’t been implemented (because I’d forgotten to reimport back into the database from the flat files).


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#82 2018-05-11 08:08:00

etc
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Re: Testers needed: flat development (4.7+ only)

jakob wrote #311680:

Hi Oleg, can you briefly explain why (what it does). I take it we need to include this in addition to your earlier etc_flat?

Hi Julian,

yes, it’s complementary to etc_flat atm, though I hope in 4.7.1 we’ll merge them together into some “flat” package. The etc_flat part is mainly aimed to the site development, like rah|oui_flat plugins. And the etc_eastern_eggs part is more like rah_external_output, with an extra ability to serve the content (css, js, ...) from flat files.

I’ve tried etc_flat now in normal and multisite installations, and it works nicely once you get into a proper workflow.
You just need to remember a) you need to be logged in and b) in testing or debugging mode. I’ve confused myself a number of times when trying in another browser (where I was, of course, not logged in) or after uploading from local to online where status is switched to live and I then wonder why my changes haven’t been implemented (because I’d forgotten to reimport back into the database from the flat files).

That’s exactly why it is not yet included as core feature: we get the basic functionality, but the workflow is not quite clear. Please feel free to suggest any improvements you see, thanks.

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#83 2018-05-11 20:37:38

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Re: Testers needed: flat development (4.7+ only)

etc wrote #311690:

And the etc_eastern_eggs part is more like rah_external_output, with an extra ability to serve the content (css, js, ...) from flat files.

So it’s for handling other mime-types via the styles panel. Thanks for clearing that up.

That’s exactly why it is not yet included as core feature: we get the basic functionality, but the workflow is not quite clear. Please feel free to suggest any improvements you see, thanks.

I’ve not thought this through in any detail and what all the implications are.

The current setup allows you to fiddle around in the background as a logged-in user without affecting the public site which is nice for making quick fixes without temporarily borking the front-end while you’re doing it. That was a facility we never had in the past.

But it also makes it harder to test across multiple browsers or devices because they are not logged in and logging in elsewhere can throw you out of your current session. (Or am I mistaken, and there’s a way to be logged in across multiple browsers and devices?).

Maybe the addition of an override switch that forces loading from the flat files regardless of site status or logged-in status is all that’s needed to make it easier for web developers to work, e.g. on a staging site or local webserver. When on, the flat files would be used regardless, when off, the current behaviour would apply. What do other people think?


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#84 2018-05-12 07:38:18

etc
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Re: Testers needed: flat development (4.7+ only)

jakob wrote #311704:

The current setup allows you to fiddle around in the background as a logged-in user without affecting the public site which is nice for making quick fixes without temporarily borking the front-end while you’re doing it. That was a facility we never had in the past.

But it also makes it harder to test across multiple browsers or devices because they are not logged in and logging in elsewhere can throw you out of your current session. (Or am I mistaken, and there’s a way to be logged in across multiple browsers and devices?).

That’s not really specific to the flat development. A logged in user will be served templates from the current theme (s)he works on, whatever section. The unlogged users are always served the themes attached to the current section. So there is always a possibility of discrepancy, be it served from db or fs, but it’s by design. You can safely develop a sandboxed theme without exposing it to the world. The flat dev just adds an extra sandbox for logged in users in the debug mode, switching between db and fs.

I agree that can be confusing, especially since different users can work on different themes. Which one should then be served to the unlogged visitors? A global switch to fs does not completely solves this problem.

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