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#31 2016-11-14 04:14:40

phiw13
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Re: Forum updated

maverick wrote #302837:

Hi Phil. Sorry to the tardy follow up. Just got back on the forum today. It was a circumflex on all the st combos on the page. I was using my Chromebook at the time (which died last week shortly after my post). I’m back on a Mac, and the issue no longer shows.

Hmm, busted ligatures with the Roboto font? Can anyone reproduce that with any recent Android phone with Chrome? Or is Roboto having a particularly weird idea about handling discretionary ligatures (which is what dlig means)?

This is possibly the issue:

body { font-feature-settings: "liga", "dlig" }

For something like the forum, you only need the 'liga' part (basic ligatures such as ‘fi’ or ‘ll’ etc).


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#32 2016-11-14 09:01:23

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Re: Forum updated

phiw13 wrote #302838:

For something like the forum, you only need the 'liga' part (basic ligatures such as ‘fi’ or ‘ll’ etc).

Well, in truth we don’t need either of those ligature settings, but they are nice to have. If there is an issue in Roboto font it needs to be confirmed and an issue raised here.

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#33 2016-11-14 09:11:32

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philwareham wrote #302841:

Well, in truth we don’t need either of those ligature settings, but they are nice to have.

Well per spec, liga should be ON by default, I believe ( font-variant:common-ligatures is equivalent to liga ). They are in Safari / Firefox and I think Edge – Chrome they were not on, last time I tested.

Discretionary ligatures (equivalent to dlig) is a whole other matter, where funky swashes and the like appear (see spec image at the link).


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#34 2016-11-14 11:52:38

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Re: Forum updated

OK, I’ve removed discretionary ligatures support – I can live without ‘st’ being stylised.

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#35 2016-11-14 14:45:53

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Re: Forum updated

I can confirm that I am no longer seeing the st ligatures on Chrome on Android.

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#36 2016-11-15 00:00:12

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michaelkpate wrote #302848:

I can confirm that I am no longer seeing the st ligatures on Chrome on Android.

So it was the dlig after all. Probably not a bug in Roboto then, although a weird discretionary ligature. Anyway, dlig should only be used in a very controlled environment, as it is font (and context) specific.

philwareham wrote #302844:

OK, I’ve removed discretionary ligatures support – I can live without ‘st’ being stylised.

I’m just curious here (as I don’t have access to 10.12): does dlig with -apple-system do something special to the st pair on 10.12 (on all browsers)? On 10.11 it does absolutely nothing. On Win 10 / Edge 14 + Firefox, with Segoe UI that character pair display as default, that is no effect either.

Here is a minimal test case
Screenshots on 10.12 + Android appreciated, tia.


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#37 2016-11-15 07:38:34

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phiw13 wrote #302860:

Here is a minimal test case
Screenshots on 10.12 + Android appreciated, tia.

Here’s a screenshot from Safari on 10.12. No ligature visible. Same with chrome and firefox.


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#38 2016-11-15 07:42:48

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Re: Forum updated

Been out of the loop for a few weeks – just wanted to say I like the new improvements to the forum, Phil! And to the docs. Thanks!


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#39 2016-11-15 08:32:38

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jakob wrote #302863:

Here’s a screenshot from Safari on 10.12. No ligature visible. Same with chrome and firefox.

Thanks for that – that is exactly what I expected to see, and I’m glad to see that Apple didn’t make much changes between 10.11 and 10.12.
The San Fransisco font doesn’t have ligatures, that is by design I think, being primarily a UI font (on the web, it is vey nice to use for web apps or admin UIs, like the TXP back-end. I wouldn’t use it for flow text oriented sites, though).

PS – I hadn’t noticed until now, since the upgrade the textareas here on the forum don’t use the auto-size script anymore… (I usually compose my posts and replies in Textedit).


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#40 2016-11-15 16:06:06

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Re: Forum updated

Love the larger font. Thanks!

The social icons in footer are doing something weird, seem to be distorted and stretching across the four squares. Without posting a screenshot, you could say they are, descriptively:

  1. Face…
  2. Fwitter
  3. Twoog
  4. oogle+

That’s in FF and Safari.

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#41 2016-11-15 16:57:04

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Re: Forum updated

Destry wrote #302904:

The social icons in footer are doing something weird, seem to be distorted and stretching across the four squares. Without posting a screenshot, you could say they are, descriptively:

I hadn’t noticed that before but definitely seeing it now.

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#42 2016-11-15 20:30:02

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Re: Forum updated

I’ve also seen chewed up logos but AFAIR (two weeks ago) that was gone after a forced reload.


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#43 2016-11-15 21:52:53

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Re: Forum updated

Just refresh the page, it’s cached an old icon sprite is all

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#44 2016-11-15 21:53:58

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michaelkpate wrote #302913:

I hadn’t noticed that before but definitely seeing it now.

I had already mentioned this at the beginning, but then it was corrected. Could it be a problem with the cache?

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#45 2016-11-16 00:05:14

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philwareham wrote #302922:

Just refresh the page, it’s cached an old icon sprite is all

Quick Experiment on Windows 10

Chrome. Edge, Internet Explorer – Displays correctly

Firefox – The image above. The version I use at work is an LTS version months out of date. I just updated to Version 50 here No Effect.

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