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#1 2015-11-11 11:51:20

gaekwad
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From: People's Republic of Cornwall
Registered: 2005-11-19
Posts: 2,604

RFC: roadmap detour -- Textpack translations

On the 4.6 roadmap, there’s this item:

  • 91% language translation in Textpacks

With the somewhat fluid nature of the roadmap and all the new/improved things going into 4.6, 91% translation of language strings was always going to be a bit of a stretch with the work involved.

New and improved features often need new language strings, and so the total number of strings to translate increases. Every new string typically adds 44 to the total number of strings to translate.

The current total is 53416 strings. Back in July 2016 the total was 51612 strings. Right now, the translation level is ~88%. At its height, it was almost 91%. Tantalisingly close to hitting the target, but that slipped. The translation workflow needs some improvements to reduce the barrier to entry, and I’ll open a new thread in Internationalisation later on today.

Realistically, 91% overall translation is not going to happen for the release of 4.6.0, and it should be interpreted as an optional or nice-to-have list item rather than a requirement. It should not delay release, either of the beta(s) or production.

I say ‘realistically’ from my English-speaking ivory tower, of course. I’m working on the principle that if translations for a given language are important enough, they’ll happen, and it’s important to ensure they can happen with minimal fuss.

The RFC is about how reasonable it is to remove the roadmap list item for 91% overall translation. Translations are happening, but they are not a requirement for 4.6.0 to be released. Your comments are welcomed, and it would help if you could tack on a numerical marker to the start of your comment reply so I can gauge reasonableness:

  • +1 for agree
  • 0 for ambivalent
  • -1 for disagree

Go.

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#2 2015-11-11 12:00:53

philwareham
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From: Farnham, Surrey, UK
Registered: 2009-06-11
Posts: 3,199
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Re: RFC: roadmap detour -- Textpack translations

+1

There are likely to be a few more strings added before 4.6 beta, so you will always be chasing a moving target. Don’t let that be a barrier. Thanks for all the work to date, very impressive!

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#3 2015-11-11 12:03:01

gaekwad
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Re: RFC: roadmap detour -- Textpack translations

Cheers, Phil. Glad you stopped by with your +1. Let me know how those Swahili lessons are going when you have a moment.

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#4 2015-11-11 20:13:31

Bloke
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From: Leeds, UK
Registered: 2006-01-29
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Re: RFC: roadmap detour -- Textpack translations

+1

What Phil says. I’m doing my fair share of adding new features that require additional strings and making a hash of communicating them. I’ve pledged to do it better from now on.


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#5 2015-11-12 02:35:03

phiw13
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From: Japan
Registered: 2004-02-27
Posts: 1,715
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Re: RFC: roadmap detour -- Textpack translations

Don’t fetish on that number. You’re doing a fine job :-)

I know from experience how hard it is to keep translations up-to-date and ready for release date. With the Camino project we had to drop a few translations sometimes because they were not ready in time. At least with Textpattern the translations are not tied to the release date, they (still) can be added / updated after the fact.

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#6 2015-11-12 09:49:02

ruud
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From: a galaxy far far away
Registered: 2006-06-04
Posts: 5,068
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Re: RFC: roadmap detour -- Textpack translations

-1

Try harder ;)

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#7 2015-11-12 17:24:13

gaekwad
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From: People's Republic of Cornwall
Registered: 2005-11-19
Posts: 2,604

Re: RFC: roadmap detour -- Textpack translations

phiw13 wrote #296554:

At least with Textpattern the translations are not tied to the release date, they (still) can be added / updated after the fact.

Exactly this. It’s easy for me to get a bunker mentality as the days get shorter, especially with remote work like this, plus it’s important for the comms channels to stay as open as is viable. There’s a roadmap, so this should be considered a traffic announcement, I guess.

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#8 2015-11-12 17:36:24

gaekwad
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From: People's Republic of Cornwall
Registered: 2005-11-19
Posts: 2,604

Re: RFC: roadmap detour -- Textpack translations

ruud wrote #296559:

Try harder ;)

I start Konkani lessons in early 2016, then in spring I attend the inaugural How To Deal With Sassy Forum Replies. So, yeah, I’m keeping busy.

While you’re here, Ruud, there are a few new Dutch strings:

password_change_confirmation =>
password_confirm_button =>
password_strength_0 =>
password_strength_1 =>
password_strength_2 =>
password_strength_3 =>
password_strength_4 =>
show_password =>
salutation =>
image_details =>
all_preferences =>
setup_password_strength_0 =>
setup_password_strength_1 =>
setup_password_strength_2 =>
setup_password_strength_3 =>
setup_password_strength_4 =>
setup_show_password =>

If you could find a little time away from being REALLY UNKIND TO ME ACTUALLY and give these a look, I would absolutely forgive you. Thank you, you scamp.

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#9 2015-11-12 19:44:25

kees-b
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From: middelburg, nl
Registered: 2004-03-03
Posts: 234
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Re: RFC: roadmap detour -- Textpack translations

gaekwad wrote #296564:

If you could find a little time away from being REALLY UNKIND TO ME ACTUALLY and give these a look, I would absolutely forgive you. Thank you, you scamp.

too late, done already…

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#10 2015-11-12 20:02:49

gaekwad
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From: People's Republic of Cornwall
Registered: 2005-11-19
Posts: 2,604

Re: RFC: roadmap detour -- Textpack translations

kees-b wrote #296565:

too late, done already…

You’re right, my mistake – I didn’t sync my repo. Ruud is right, I should try harder.

(Thanks for the word help, Kees)

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