Let's decide what's actually going into 4.6

gomedia · 2015-07-07 13:53:37

Lose Classic but please don’t kill Remora – it’s my favourite!

WRT release schedule, can I suggest a cautious approach for 4.6? There have been so many changes to the core – code tidying/refactoring etc etc – that it might be better to get it out into the wild without the big ticket items included. I’d hate to see us do an Apple and have a big bang release & then blow our reputation for rock solid reliability.

jstubbs · 2015-07-07 14:23:02

I personally like the Classic theme, but if Hive is responsive and modern and can be themed later, then why do we need Remora or Classic.

candyman · 2015-07-07 16:56:04

Let’s save the Classic theme!
It’s the reason I choosed TXP over WP about 10 9 years ago!
So minimal :(

I think it’s the more TXPish thing with textile: we need it.

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makss · 2015-07-07 17:57:52

I use the Classic theme. It is convenient for me.

GugUser · 2015-07-07 19:39:15

gomedia wrote #292758:

Lose Classic but please don’t kill Remora – it’s my favourite!

Remora is my favorite too.

GugUser · 2015-07-07 19:56:01

The forum seems to explode in the last weeks doe to the many new threats and partly extensive posts. All this is very interesting, but I feel me not able to participate in the discussions with my limited ability in English. All these newly discussed details are to many and in to rapid sequence. I don’t find enough time to read everything at the moment.

But one thing I would add from my point of view: In all of my site are used glz_custom_fields in combination with bot_write_tab_customize. For me it will be essential to find in the new Textpattern version a replacement for this to plugins with with at least the same features.

hcgtv · 2015-07-07 19:56:51

Bloke wrote #292750:

btw, if you’re using Sublime Text, get the DocBlockr plugin. If you place your cursor on the row above an undocumented function, hit slash-star-star-enter, it parses the function and creates a docblock automatically based on the function signature it finds. You fill in the blanks. It also keeps alignment nicely for you. Terrific.

I use Notepad++, but I’m going to download the Sublime Text eval version and get to playing around.

Quick question, would it help if I do the grunt work of placing the DocBlocks in all the code, and then letting someone more senior fill in the blanks.

candyman wrote #292770:

Let’s save the Classic theme!

Start a petition, create web site stickers, do up a Facebook page, the works!

hcgtv · 2015-07-07 20:02:50

GugUser wrote #292789:

The forum seems to explode in the last weeks doe to the many new threats and partly extensive posts.

Buenas GugUser, perdoname si sientes que yo estoy creando problemas, pero tenemos que ves en cuando encender el fuego para cocinar nuestra ideas.

candyman · 2015-07-07 21:04:03

At this rate, if I were Textile, I would start to worry …

gaekwad · 2015-07-07 21:04:42

candyman wrote #292797:

At this rate, if I were Textile, I would start to worry …

OK, I laughed.

gomedia · 2015-07-07 22:48:11

jstubbs wrote #292764:

I personally like the Classic theme, but if Hive is responsive and modern and can be themed later, then why do we need Remora or Classic.

Hive looks great, and I’ve used it on client sites, but I prefer the more minimalist styling of Remora. Besides, Hive is no good for my development installations – long menus disappear/are truncated off the bottom of the window.

Destry · 2015-07-07 23:11:14

gomedia wrote #292758:

can I suggest a cautious approach for 4.6? There have been so many changes to the core – code tidying/refactoring etc etc – that it might be better to get it out into the wild without the big ticket items included.

I’m inclined to agree. That’s not to say I haven’t been slathering over the eventual custom fields work, and to be able to finally design a new admin theme with the custom fields in mind, based on new admin templates, etc. But if there’s already been so much in the way of many little tweaks and improvements, roll that out.

I think there’s been so much talk about all these other bigger things, that you devs have put too much pressure on yourselves, or let the community do it. Don’t cave to that. Keep it measured and steady.

That said, I can appreciate Bloke saying that he’s in the groove. When someone’s in the groove, you don’t mess with that. If he says he can throw in a new blower, let him do it. But pick one of the things and do the rest in the version(s) after. In my opinion, folding multilingual into core is the first priority for delivery. Not only does that show those regional users that you care about them, but it kills off the MLP problem too.

A tame 4.6 release also favors getting some of the other stuff done. There’s been talk of moving forward with an open Textpattern blog, for example, which is a great idea, but, honestly, the current .com site is… Well, I can’t even stand looking at it anymore, let alone trying to use it. It’s not winning you any new customers, that’s for damn sure. And if people are going to write for the blog, by George the blog needs to be frickin readable, mobile-friendly, with latest articles accessible from front page. That micro-size typography and skinny column width is total shite. Seriously. The .com redo, revealing the new Txp brand, is long past due. (And please, Phil, give the blog some white space and reading room and a font size old eyes like mine can actually see — a decent reading experience. Allow for excerpts in articles, etc. Do it up, publication quality. Make it the prime outbound channel it should be.)

As for the packaged themes… all this opining about what is one’s favorite seems irrelevant. If a single theme gets the job done, ship that and let any of the other dozen or more CSS wizards in the community step up and take over maintaining Classic and Remora if they want them in there. Let Phil do other more important things.

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hcgtv · 2015-07-07 23:28:38

Destry wrote #292807:

As for the packaged themes… all this opining about what is one’s favorite seems irrelevant to the cause. If a single theme gets the job done, ship that and let any of the other dozen or more CSS wizards in the community step up and take over maintaining Classic and Remora if they want them in there. Let Phil do other more important things.

That’s all I was saying, give Phil less to deal with and Hive will mature at a faster pace.

Like I said, I was a longtime Classic theme user, then I started testing all the different branches on my local server. The Admin Layout Update branch sold me on Hive, the enhancements and niceties that we talked about 7 or 8 years ago are coming to fruition.

The overhaul of the backend admin has been one of the most requested features, the Why can’t Textpattern look nicer, like that project over there? Yet nobody ever wanted to tackle the backend until Phil showed up.

You’ve got to crack a few eggs to make an omelette.

jstubbs · 2015-07-07 23:34:13

Exactly – if Hive does the job for the backend why does Phil need to work on two extra themes, have you seen his list of to-do’s..

GugUser · 2015-07-07 23:52:16

hcgtv wrote #292792:

Buenas GugUser, perdoname si sientes que yo estoy creando problemas, pero tenemos que ves en cuando encender el fuego para cocinar nuestra ideas.

Hola Bert, no es un problema, no es nada personal contigo, ni he mencionado ni he pensado tu nombre al respeto, y tú tienes todo el derecho de escribir lo que quieres opinar, solamente noto que al momento, por la falta de tiempo y no suficientes conocimientos en inglés no logro participar de la manera como me gustaría hacerlo, pese a los tantos temas de interés que hay.

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#27 2015-07-07 23:11:14

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gomedia wrote #292758:

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