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Re: Joyent cancels lifetime hosting in October. New host recommendations?
springworks wrote:
What would be the benefit of going for the Cloud VPS over the Simple Hosting? It seems a more expensive option that doesn’t offer as much in terms of hosting capability (storage capacity and bandwidth allowance).
First is a virtual server, while the former is a shared web hosting account. So in terms of actual power and extensibility, the VPS will offer more. But, keep in mind it’s a virtual server, meaning you are the admin and you will install the software and keep care of it.
colak wrote:
In theory VPS is also safer (please somebody correct me if I’m wrong here)
Not in theory, it is.
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Re: Joyent cancels lifetime hosting in October. New host recommendations?
For low to mid requirements (your mileage will vary), competitive favorites seem to be:
- Gandi, which has a 50% off on Simple Hosting if you already have a domain name registered with them.
- Digital Ocean
- A Small Orange
Daft question: Can one just assume that options like these will allow virtual hosts? You know, we have our main account and can then add other websites underneath it? I don’t see much mention of this in the sites, so I’m guessing it’s just understood to be true?
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Re: Joyent cancels lifetime hosting in October. New host recommendations?
Good’n… TextDrive R.I.P., and Txp mention.
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Re: Joyent cancels lifetime hosting in October. New host recommendations?
Destry wrote:
Daft question: Can one just assume that options like these will allow virtual hosts? You know, we have our main account and can then add other websites underneath it? I don’t see much mention of this in the sites, so I’m guessing it’s just understood to be true?
Those are (mainly) virtual server providers, as such yes. If you get VPS from any of those three you should be given root access to the server.
Out of the three Ocean Digital concentrates solely offering virtualized platforms, competing mainly with the likes as Linode. If you go that direction keep in mind those are unmanaged servers.
Gandi (now globally) and A Small Orange seem to offer shared hosting too. Which are always subject of limitations and potential changes. Don’t know what they actually allow on shared hosting side since I haven’t used their services. Both are potentially pretty cramped just like any other big world wide inexpensive hosting provider as far as mass-shared hosting goes.
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Re: Joyent cancels lifetime hosting in October. New host recommendations?
Money, when it travels at a certain trajectory and speed, can make anyone into an asshole.
Dean Allen – http://www.textism.com/2008/04/04/alright
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Re: Joyent cancels lifetime hosting in October. New host recommendations?
Destry wrote:
I wonder if this is going to effect Textpattern’s domains at all.
Our hosting package is affected by this EOL announcement. I will provide more details as soon as I gather those.
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Re: Joyent cancels lifetime hosting in October. New host recommendations?
I don’t know whether to post here or there, which is somewhat related, but what about something like this…
Assuming Joyent says the project domains no longer get a free ride, and assuming current domain owners would be willing to transfer domains to the project’s care (under the circumstances), then what about setting up a reseller account—like one of these, for example—where the five project domains (.com, .net, .org, txg, mag) are housed, and:
a) annual patron drives are established to ensure domain name ownership and hosting is covered, or
b) remaining virtual domains are sold to other site owners interested in hosting under project (as a reseller) care.
The idea in situation (b) is that reselling covers the costs of project domains, and remaining difference goes to core development. Heck, I’d even consider being the first buyer under such a plan if it was somewhat feasible to competitive rates. I’m sure I’d not be alone with this mass exodus from Joyent right now.
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Re: Joyent cancels lifetime hosting in October. New host recommendations?
wet wrote:
Our hosting package is affected by this EOL announcement. I will provide more details as soon as I gather those.
Destry wrote:
Assuming Joyent says the project domains no longer get a free ride,
Hey guys why don’t you write to Jason first? I could do it if you want.
Yiannis
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Re: Joyent cancels lifetime hosting in October. New host recommendations?
Gocom wrote:
Destry wrote:
Out of the three Ocean Digital concentrates solely offering virtualized platforms, competing mainly with the likes as Linode. If you go that direction keep in mind those are unmanaged servers.
I am pretty sure i want a MANAGED reseller VPS. Which option is best? Linode.com looks good but i don’t want to manage no stinking servers
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Re: Joyent cancels lifetime hosting in October. New host recommendations?
Yiannis
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Re: Joyent cancels lifetime hosting in October. New host recommendations?
Destry wrote:
The idea in situation (b) is that reselling covers the costs of project domains
I don’t think we want to get into the hosting business. Not even for friends and colleagues.
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Re: Joyent cancels lifetime hosting in October. New host recommendations?
@wet
Agreed, I used to resell a bit on our webservers, now I don’t offer that. Too much pain for very little profit.
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Re: Joyent cancels lifetime hosting in October. New host recommendations?
bici wrote:
I am pretty sure i want a MANAGED reseller VPS. Which option is best?
You might consider the hosts listed on our Textpattern hosting page and in the left sidebar.
We do not endorse any of those over every other host on the planet (as we do not know your exact requirements) but if you happen to go for one of those we receive a kickback. This in turn goes to the core team and is spent for the booze we need to fuel our creativity.
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Re: Joyent cancels lifetime hosting in October. New host recommendations?
wet wrote:
You might consider the hosts listed on our Textpattern hosting page and in the left sidebar.
I guess you can take Joyent off that list, eh? I mean, isn’t that why were here? Anybody who’s losing their lifetime hosting from Joyent isn’t going to pay them anymore; not based on the sentiment I’m seeing in the rounds of discussion.
I don’t think we want to get into the hosting business (option “b”). Not even for friends and colleagues.
Can’t say I blame you. It was just an idea. You need contingency ideas at the moment. Here’s a running list, including the two I’ve mentioned already:
- Option A: Textpattern owns domains. Community covers registration and hosting costs. (Five domains, ouch.)
- Option B:
Textpattern looks into a small reseller scenario. Ruled out. - Option C: Try and make a new “partner” arrangement with a web host; they provide hosting like Joyent used to do, and Textpattern permanently gives them advertising. (As Editor for the magazine, this is the first thing I would pursue for that domain at least, but since you own the domain, it involves you on the administration side of things.)
- Option D: Still reliant on getting ownership of the scattered domains. The respective domains are given to the current leads of the sites to responsibly manage and fund—perhaps even under a contract of faith—who would freely transfer the domains to the next leaders, etc, when the time comes. This at least leverages the expenses if community donations aren’t made to one person. So, currently it’s:
- .com – Robert
- .net – Destry (or Ruud?)
- .org – Stef
- txpmag – Destry
- txg – Stuart
- Option E: Go for what Phil was implying in a different thread; actually create physical subdomains under .com for plugins, themes, and docs and put content there. That would reduce cost of five domains to two, and I’d still be willing to fund the magazine as long as I’m Editor (i.e., owning the domain). If Dean keeps up with registration costs on .com, then wet only funds the hosting. But again, the dark side to this option is that the other domains are then left in the ether for someone to use in potentially damaging ways.
- Option F: Similar to E, drop unnecessary domains by adopting (supposedly free) web-based tools to replace them. Though at the moment I an only think of a web-based wiki for docs, and that doesn’t seem worth the effort by itself.
You can see, perhaps, various combinations and alterations of these options. For example, go with option E, but still encourage option A. Or go with option D but still pursue option C. Etc.
Colak: Like Reid said in the J-forum, I’m sure Hoffman thought long and hard about the repercussions his announcement would make before he made it. Maybe he overlooked the Textpattern sites and something might be worked out there, but I’d recommend Textpattern keeps looking for a plan B just in case.
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Re: Joyent cancels lifetime hosting in October. New host recommendations?
Destry, this isn’t about the 9$ domain fees per year. Our current hosting is “worth” roundabout 100$ per month.
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