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Re: Tipattern - hard mod of the textpattern
Luca, you may of course call it whatever you want, but it looks like a fork to me. Your repository doesn’t contain just the modifications, but a complete set of modified TXP files.
there are many people who feel they have a monopoly on a project which is declared and maintained open source, but often, the community is forced to face the decisions of these few, and this my opinion, but not only mine, the community is not a herd of sheep that must be conducted by the pastor
If we were to play the “should we add feature X?” game and let everyone suggest and vote for which features to add, I suspect TXP would transform from being small and efficient CMS to a large, bloated CMS within a few releases. People generally don’t say “no” to new features, so there have to be project leaders who decide what gets added (yay, people cheering!) and what does not (boo, pastor, dictator… let’s fork!). Yes, I’m exaggerating a bit to get my point across ;)
Txp lacks many features that are now the norm in other similar products
Why should TXP aim to have the same features that other similar products have? Pick the right tool for the job. We probably have some features that other products don’t have. If all CMS strive to have the same feature set, what’s the point of having multiple CMS to choose from?
my project tipattern as I say in my first post and only presentation of a personal effort to adapt an excellent CMS for my personal needs. […] in my little I spent a few ‘of my time to express my idea, I have shared and made available to all
Thanks for clarifying (I don’t see that in your first post in this topic)
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Re: Tipattern - hard mod of the textpattern
Gentlemen,
We are at 32th post of this thread, and nobody has been censured, so, let’s not talk about power abuse yet. And may I point to the fact that Robert just asked for something that should be, in my opinion, an evidence for everyone. I don’t start talking to my girlfriend about my next girlfriend, and how she’s going to be better than her. It’s a question of politeness. I think the post Ruud refers to is just impolite. I’m can’t be sure wether it was aimed at being provocative, well I prefer to think not, for I have much respect for the author.
There is often a lot of confusion on how things should work in the open source world. The GPL or other open source licenses do not sell off the process of software creation, they juste ensure that the published product’s sources at a given state can be taken away and played with as much as you want. Nothing is said about how the project and the forums and mailing lists should be managed. As a matter of fact, every project manages this differently.
People often claim their right to be heard in a democratic process. But, not so many open source project even pretend to be democratic in any way. And those which do, also have a very strict set of rules on how this should happen (cf Debian project). And we have already seen some perillous transition between autocracy and attempts at democracy, which didn’t always work well (cf Gentoo Linux, sorrry if I offend someone here). Don’t misunderstand, I believe in the usefulness of everyone’s participation, but at one point, someone with enough specialised and global vision has to cut out the cool stuff that’s too much or not in the style. Let’s not forget programming needs a style too, like art.
Last edited by PascalL (2009-07-05 20:52:45)
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Re: Tipattern - hard mod of the textpattern
Luca interprets Open Source one way and PascalL has his view of the GPL.
Let me ask, did Drupal ever frown upon CivicSpace?
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Re: Tipattern - hard mod of the textpattern
ruud wrote:
Btw. I consider this post by one of the xP contributors to be spam and have reported it as such. It only advertises another fork.
I have a name. I’m active in the TXP community – I expect a measure of respect.
I also work on a fork of Textpattern that addresses concerns and a direction that I wanted to take that was never satisfied by the then-active developers. The Original Post seemed likewise interested, and I responded in kind. Spam would be the unsolicited, unwanted advertisement, my original post which you linked to was not and was topically related.
Last edited by TheEric (2009-07-06 06:05:13)
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Re: Tipattern - hard mod of the textpattern
TheEric wrote:
The Original Post seemed likewise interested, and I responded in kind. Spam would be the unsolicited, unwanted advertisement, my original post which you linked to was not and was topically related.
Probably neither of you have interest in each other. You are just trying to recuit more ppl to do the coding stuff. But that’s okay, in a sense ;)
I wouldn’t mark it as a spam. Ads flasher yes, spam not so. Topic related? In the sense of both are mods/forks. TXP related? No. I also see Ruuds point in there.
That is as related as it would post same kind of message to WordPress forums to recuit more ppl to join TXP dev team. So.
Last edited by Gocom (2009-07-06 06:24:39)
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Re: Tipattern - hard mod of the textpattern
Renewed calls for everyone to smoke ‘em if you got ‘em and chill a bit?
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Re: Tipattern - hard mod of the textpattern
I tried to stay out of this for some time now but here is what I think.
Pascal – or anybody else for that matter – has every legal right to hack/fork txp. Announcing it in this forum is also OK (by me at least) although posting his thread in the ‘announcements’ rather than the ‘general discussion’ was not appropriate. No problem there however as the thread was moved by Els.
Eric, Your work in the txp community IS appreciated and your plugins have become standards in many installs. Your particular post however was one of bad judgement on your behalf. This forum has a private messaging system and if you (or anybody) wanted to recruit people on forks/hacks, that system would be more appropriate.
As such I see a very big difference between announcing, informing, marketing strategies/advertising campaign and recruiting. To me at least, only the first two are ethically OK as far as this forum’s etiquette goes.
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