remove preview button

jm · 2006-10-19 19:37:15

If you want spam, yes: search. The reason why you see a ton of spam (excluding trackback spam) on wordpress and other blogs is that they don’t have a preview button.

Sencer · 2006-10-19 19:38:46

http://textpattern.com/faq/82/how-do-i-skip-the-comment-preview

fuli · 2008-09-24 11:36:25

Sencer wrote:

http://textpattern.com/faq/82/how-do-i-skip-the-comment-preview

So, when Textpattern users need to know how to disable preview only answer we get is that “you are stupid, we know this better and we are not telling you”?

Site I’m building will be used by inexperienced web users and absolutely worst thing that can happen there, is that comments people make won’t get posted. I am willing to deal with spam and actively guard the site. But comments I can’t lose.

Ok, back to searching for answer…

Edit: After 2 hours trying to find a solution I have came to conclusion, that easiest way may be building the site with different CMS.
Despite frequent requests in the forum to be able to leave comments without preview, there may not be any solution available to those who are not computer programmers. Looks like the only way to remove preview is to change code in comments.php. There was also pre-changed comments.php, that I could have used, but sadly it’s outdated now.

Last edited by fuli (2008-09-24 13:54:14)

els · 2008-09-24 16:27:38

Did you search for 2 hours without finding a plugin that can do it?

fuli · 2008-09-24 16:57:14

Els wrote:

Did you search for 2 hours without finding a plugin that can do it?

Well, first I tried to search for help and found that everyone who is asking the same question was redirected to not so useful faq answer. Then I looked for the solution myself experimenting with comments_form and comments_display trying to figure out why the submit button is disabled. Finally I looked more carefully from the web and found that it’s all about comments.php, which is out of my league.

But, no, I did not found that plugin before. It still may not meet my needs since, if I understand this correctly, it requires everyone to register. Thanks for the link, I’ll check if I can use it.

Last edited by fuli (2008-09-24 16:58:48)

els · 2008-09-24 17:38:55

fuli wrote:

It still may not meet my needs since, if I understand this correctly, it requires everyone to register.

Ah ok, I didn’t realize that, sorry. Also, I know it’s hard – if not impossible – to find instructions on the forums how to remove the preview. But keep in mind that there are very few people who want to do that.
I know this is not exactly what you were looking for, but if your main concern is people not posting comments, this post by Sencer might give you some tips.

Bloke · 2008-09-24 20:41:59

As a related aside to this old topic — and possibly the reason for finding so few answers in the forum — the usual sequence of events is:

someone asks to remove comment preview because it’s annoying/rubbish/insert-reason-here
the poster is asked if it’s absolutely necessary; the answer is an emphatic yes
a hack/solution is provided (as you found, probably out of date now)
to safeguard the comment system there is talk of installing those awful CAPTCHA things, or adding Akismet or an equivalent (so-called) anti-spam technology

The trouble is, CAPTCHA / Akismet / asking a ‘human’ question / yahde yahde end up being more hassle for end users to post a comment than clicking Preview then Submit!

Now in this case it sounds like fuli isn’t interested in any sort of prevention apart from good old-fashioned vigilance (good on you!), but in the past this has been the usual discussion pattern. Perhaps when people tire of the CAPTCHA, or nobody bothers submitting comments because it’s a pain, the preview button sneaks back onto the site, yet we don’t hear that part of the story on the forum *shrug*

Also, though I cannot speak for the type of user fuli has in mind, I have thus far noted that inexperienced web users are more likely to read the screen than people who are accustomed to fire-and-forget commenting, so the absolute best thing you can do is train them to use preview from an early age¹ :-) I’m not being pissy as everyone has their reasons for liking/disliking preview, it’s just an observation I’ve made during my studies of HCI over the years.

It comes down to how you present the preview; some places do it better than others. Out of pure curiosity, has anybody ever played with putting the comment preview in a lightbox with cancel/submit buttons? That would visually imply the comment was in limbo until submitted. Plenty of lightbox tools (e.g. thickbox and my current favourite shadowbox) allow HTML content; is it possible to intercept the comment submit this way or is it an impossible/stupid idea? Just askin’…

¹ early in terms of web exposure, not like 4- or 5-year olds!

Last edited by Bloke (2008-09-24 20:44:47)

mlarino · 2009-09-22 23:27:09

I have thus far noted that inexperienced web users are more likely to read the screen than people who are accustomed to fire-and-forget commenting,

In myexperience is completely the oposite, people just surf the web and by instinct do things without reading.
Had a lot of people tell me that they left me comments in my site, but they were not published.

I had to teach them how to leave messajes. (and they reacted letting me know that they had no idea they had to preview and then submit)
Instead of reading, they just click and close the page.

I get a lot of Spam even with the preview button, but I defenetly think this should be optional, there is a lot of other things we can do to prevent Spam without confusing people and making them click 2 times, when it should be only one.

anyone with me on this?

uli · 2009-09-23 00:40:53

bloke wrote:

I have thus far noted that inexperienced web users are more likely to read the screen than people who are accustomed to fire-and-forget commenting,

mlarino wrote:

In myexperience is completely the oposite, people just surf the web and by instinct do things without reading.

Seems you belong into the group in quote#2, as bloke explicitly referred to inexperienced users.

Not tested, I leave this up to you:
Try Els’ link some posts above, rah_comment_form requires ign_password_protect, but you can try to be a little creative with igners tags (in case Jukka left that door open ;) and reduce the user privilege level to “0” if you really like.
Which means a “0” for security. You’ve been warned. If you read ;)

Gocom · 2009-09-23 02:39:07

uli wrote:

Try Els’ link some posts above, rah_comment_form requires ign_password_protect, but you can try to be a little creative with igners tags (in case Jukka left that door open ;) and reduce the user privilege level to “0” if you really like.
Which means a “0” for security. You’ve been warned. If you read ;)

That’s right Uli :) Heh, technically you can but the plugin into “Zero for security” -mode. As future I quote past me:

<txp:php>
	global $ign_user;
	if(!$ign_user) $ign_user = 'Anon';
</txp:php>

Block of code, placed before the comment for markup. That’s the juicy idiotic-code-poetry, which will make all users Anons. This will also lead you into situation where you get 10,000 spam msgs per second, or something equaly nasty ;)

Last edited by Gocom (2009-09-23 02:39:33)

iblastoff · 2009-09-23 05:04:51

mlarino wrote:

I have thus far noted that inexperienced web users are more likely to read the screen than people who are accustomed to fire-and-forget commenting,

In myexperience is completely the oposite, people just surf the web and by instinct do things without reading.
Had a lot of people tell me that they left me comments in my site, but they were not published.

I had to teach them how to leave messajes. (and they reacted letting me know that they had no idea they had to preview and then submit)
Instead of reading, they just click and close the page.

I get a lot of Spam even with the preview button, but I defenetly think this should be optional, there is a lot of other things we can do to prevent Spam without confusing people and making them click 2 times, when it should be only one.

anyone with me on this?

i also get a ton of spam with the ‘preview’ button. i think its pretty much lost its credibility as an efficient measure against viagra-spewing bots.

edit: once again textile quoting completely fails and i must re-edit!

Last edited by iblastoff (2009-09-23 05:05:24)

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