rc2 and 1.0

gonzo409 · 2005-02-20 03:22:46

you could cut the tension in here with a knife. allow me.

poop

Mary · 2005-02-20 04:04:25

The hills are alive with the sound of…

jdueck · 2005-02-20 04:25:00

“‘Tis a pitiful tale,” said the Bellman, whose face
Had grown longer at every word:
“But, now that you’ve stated the whole of your case,
More debate would be simply absurd.

“The rest of my speech” (he explained to his men)
“You shall hear when I’ve leisure to speak it.
But the Snark is at hand, let me tell you again!
‘Tis your glorious duty to seek it!

“To seek it with thimbles, to seek it with care;
To pursue it with forks and hope;
To threaten its life with a railway-share;
To charm it with smiles and soap!

“For the Snark’s a peculiar creature, that won’t
Be caught in a commonplace way.
Do all that you know, and try all that you don’t:
Not a chance must be wasted to-day!

“For England expects — I forbear to proceed:
‘Tis a maxim tremendous, but trite:
And you’d best be unpacking the things that you need
To rig yourselves out for the fight.”

Then the Banker endorsed a blank check (which he crossed),
And changed his loose silver for notes.
The Baker with care combed his whiskers and hair,
And shook the dust out of his coats.

The Boots and the Broker were sharpening a spade —
Each working the grindstone in turn:
But the Beaver went on making lace, and displayed
No interest in the concern:

Though the Barrister tried to appeal to its pride,
And vainly proceeded to cite
A number of cases, in which making laces
Had been proved an infringement of right.

The maker of Bonnets ferociously planned
A novel arrangement of bows:
While the Billiard-marker with quivering hand
Was chalking the tip of his nose.

jdueck · 2005-02-20 04:30:19

He is all pine and I am apple orchard.
My apple trees will never get across
And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.
He only says, ‘Good fences make good neighbors’.
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
‘Why do they make good neighbors? Isn’t it
Where there are cows?
But here there are no cows.
Before I built a wall I’d ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.

jdueck · 2005-02-20 04:31:02

If I could dwell
Where Israfel
Hath dwelt, and he where I,
He might not sing so wildly well
A mortal melody,
While a bolder note than his might swell
From my lyre within the sky.

jdueck · 2005-02-20 04:34:15

Sweet honey-sucking bees why do you still
Surfeit on roses, pinks and violets?
As if the choicest nectar lay in them,
Wherewith you store your curious cabinets
Ah, make your flight to Melisuaviaâ

Th4rg0r · 2005-02-20 05:17:45

is that comment spam? …too lazy to read

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duffe · 2005-02-20 05:24:07

>>Oh look, itâ

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ubernostrum · 2005-02-20 05:51:57

OK, so I think I understand.

duffe et al. want to have the following:

Constant updates on the status of Textpattern 1.0 including up-to-the-minute details of every change being made from the previous release candidate,
A full, cross-indexed, searchable and prominent user manual, and
Textpattern 1.0.

And they want all of these things right this very minute or they’re going to go play somewhere else.

Somebody, I think, doesn’t understand software development very well…

Jeremie: So you’re arguing that Dean has not posted a single update about 1.0 anywhere since September 10?

AirBeagle: That’s a great example. Somebody whose post consists essentially of a rant which gives no details of the situation involved gets replies saying “you sound like a jerk” and “I don’t know what kind of response you’re looking for”. And in the end he got the best answer possible, given what he posted, within four hours of posting his “question”. Obviously he’s a victim of the bullies on the TXP forum.

jonhicks: In context, my reference to that Google search makes sense. I had pointed out that jason had made some comments about TXP 1.0 in the TXD weblog, and duffe said he couldn’t find them. I was pointing out that the entry in question was the very first result in a search which, given those criteria, is obvious.

Everybody: Textpattern != Textdrive. Textdrive != Textpattern. One is a CMS written mostly by Dean Allen. The other is a hosting company. Textpattern is not a product of Textdrive, and Textdrive is not the owner of Textpattern. Textdrive is doing a pretty damned awesome job on the communications front, considering that they often notify users of problems (the recent MT spam vulnerability, for example) almost before they happen. My own host is a little better, but that’s because the owners are friends of mine and when I have a problem I can poke them on IRC; aside from cases like that I’ve never seen a hosting company which handles communication with its users as well as TXD.

Could Textpattern benefit from more frequent status updates? Probably, but I’d rather see 1.0 out the door first; we already know most, if not all, of the feature updates it’s going to bring, so I’d rather have Dean working full-time on getting it into shape than have him in here posting what would basically be fluff “status updates”. After 1.0 is out the door, though, I think things should and will change.

There. I’m done.

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Jeremie · 2005-02-20 06:40:20

> ubernostrum wrote:

> Constant updates on the status of Textpattern 1.0 including up-to-the-minute details of every change being made from the previous release candidate,

Nice troll. Too big, won’t hold.

> Jeremie: So you’re arguing that Dean has not posted a single update about 1.0 anywhere since September 10?

Another nice troll, smaller this one. It may be past unoticed ^^

But I will indulge you, and feed it. The TXP mainpage show no update or news since sept 20 (not 10, you are right about 10 days).

SVN has some changes, including several that some people call a RC2 (and last time I check, the SVN has been dead for weeks, if not month). Since it has been reported adding troubles and not deleting past issues, I don’t really agree with that naming, but still I acknowledge it by asking for a RC3 release.

And you know perfectly well that I was answering to the “TXD under attack=no TXP release” point, which may explain some days off, not 5 month.

And if you followed the never ending thread, you know that I ask for informations. Frankly, if I would be able to know what are the changes in 1.0 (i.e. what I will need to hack to make it work my way, what plugin will be needed to make what I call a basic website and witch will not, what portions of code or functionnalities are modified and wich are not so much; with all the things I â

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duffe · 2005-02-20 06:40:54

>> duffe et al. want to have the following:

>> 1. Constant updates on the status of Textpattern 1.0 including up-to-the-minute details of every change being made from the previous release candidate, >> 2. A full, cross-indexed, searchable and prominent user manual, and >> 3. Textpattern 1.0.

1. Dont exaggerate. I said I needed basic information about Textpattern. I don’t expect Dean to document things hourly, daily or even weekly. One good, quality update once a month would be awesome.

2. I said we already have excellent user manuals.

3. Who wouldn’t?

>> And they want all of these things right this very minute or theyâ

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watts · 2005-02-20 07:35:56

Uber, I’m not asking for constant forum posts, nor O’Reilly-level documentation. I am expressing frustration that the source code repository and ticket tracking system installed for Textpattern’s development is not being used. What I’ve suggested — three times now — is that if the Trac/Subversion system were actually being used, a great deal of the uncertainty and angst would be alleviated. Is this really an unreasonable expectation on my part, and a clear sign that I don’t understand the software development process?

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