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Re: Corona virus
etc wrote #322207:
France has joined Italy and Spain in a general lock-down since this noon, though nobody understands yet what it means. Statistically my family is not at danger, but some of my best friends are doctors, and I would hate doing something that would expose them to dealing with hard cases. So avoiding contacts as much as possible.
On the positive side, the air is cleaner because of much fewer cars and there is a pleasant quietness. Buy as much food as you can, which has a reasonably long shelf life, such as rice, beans, lentils, dry pasta, etc.
Prepare for a long isolation as there seems to be no due by date for this, no matter what our governments initially announce. In Cy we had 3 announcements, within 7 days, each one escalating the measures.
At the moment we can go out, and no official curfew is imposed but this might come. I’m sure that all countries have laws against people knowingly spreading deadly viruses. These are the laws they are now quoting here, which basically blame individuals rather than systemic failure.
Regardless, it is our responsibility, to keep others safe, if not ourselves.
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colak wrote #322208:
Regardless, it is our responsibility, to keep others safe, if not ourselves.
This.
Everyone has a duty of care, and that’s been my point since this whole thing blew up. Don’t wait around for ‘leaders’ (and I use that term loosely) or bosses to tell us to “stay at home” or “go to work” or “our transport system is locked down” or “all gatherings except these random exception are illegal”. Just use evidence-based judgement. Look at the infection curve if nothing else. And use that information to take sensible steps to minimise daily exposure and keep reasonably clean.
If everyone only went out where and when necessary – instead of sharing stupid disinformation on social media and rushing to panic-buy pasta – the pandemic probably wouldn’t have reached the level it has.
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On another, more positive, note: even though Frank Turner’s had to cancel his UK tour (to which I couldn’t get tickets anyway) one show’s still going ahead… from his living room tonight (Facebork link, sorry).
Love it when people innovate around a problem.
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Bloke wrote #322210:
On another, more positive, note: even though Frank Turner’s had to cancel his UK tour (to which I couldn’t get tickets anyway) one show’s still going ahead… from his living room tonight (Facebork link, sorry).
Hope he’ll perform this one (YouTube) :)
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I’m looking at England’s Department of Health and Social Care and Public Health which covers the Covid19 bill. Interrestingly there was no warning about the possible forecast of the virus spread unless those precautions are followed.
Also, considering that Covid19 is most fatal for older people what is this doing in there?
… increasing the available health and social care workforce – for example, by removing barriers to allow recently retired NHS staff and social workers to return to work… – Emphasis mine.
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I think in the NHS, many health workers and doctors retire early, so they’re talking about people in their mid-to-late 50s returning to work. Even so, I believe there’s a period of retraining (depending on what they class as “recently retired”) before they can rejoin so I guess they’ll be screened.
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Other countries are also considering that as a fallback option. Germany certainly is, though obviously they weigh up the relative risk. I think quite a few retired doctors who feel fit and capable also want to help. I know two who, although retired and pursuing their hobbies / doing a degree as a mature student, have continued to provide emergency cover a couple of times a month to ease the burden on their colleagues. It’s just part of who they are and what they’ve done their whole lives. What they’ve chosen to in this specific situation I don’t know.
Until recently, some younger doctors from Germany also travelled regularly to England to provide weekend/holiday cover in regions with not so many doctors. Brexit has put an end to that, though.
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All there in Europe (especially), hold on strong.
Over here, everything is still quiet. Numbers of infected people remains low. Our dear leader still insists that his silly pet show must go on this summer, and the IOC agrees (</sigh>).
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jakob wrote #322214:
Other countries are also considering that as a fallback option. Germany certainly is, though obviously they weigh up the relative risk. I think quite a few retired doctors who feel fit and capable also want to help. I know two who, although retired and pursuing their hobbies / doing a degree as a mature student, have continued to provide emergency cover a couple of times a month to ease the burden on their colleagues. It’s just part of who they are and what they’ve done their whole lives. What they’ve chosen to in this specific situation I don’t know.
Doctors will always be doctors. I have a lot of friends in that profession and they never quite retire.
phiw13 wrote #322215:
Over here, everything is still quiet. Numbers of infected people remains low. Our dear leader still insists that his silly pet show must go on this summer, and the IOC agrees (
</sigh>).
We are all led by populists.
Bloke wrote #322213:
I think in the NHS, many health workers and doctors retire early, so they’re talking about people in their mid-to-late 50s returning to work. Even so, I believe there’s a period of retraining (depending on what they class as “recently retired”) before they can rejoin so I guess they’ll be screened.
I hope so. Although I read in one of the official .gov UK sites that the vulnerable age is 70+, information from other countries lower that age to 50+.
I agree with Julian that Brexit has a role in this. Interestingly, an Italian friend, who is an academic at Harvard and now stranded in Rome, told me yesterday that the Chinese have flown a lot of doctors there in order to help, and share their experiences about the virus. I do not think that nationalist discourses help any country, especially in situations like this one.
This is why I felt irritated when the first measures were taken in Cyprus. Viruses do not understand nationalities or ethnicities. Here’s a quote from Paul Vanouse which will appear in our forthcoming publication.
… the grand epistemic issue behind my work was human difference vs. sameness. These distinctions were the basis of hundreds of years of racism, slavery, eugenics as well as sexism, classism, ethnocentrism […] 99.9% of our DNA is identical, but DNA imaging usually only targets the 0.1% that might vary. […] DNA imaging is simply another instance of an epistemic, apriori belief in essential human difference, whereas deep sameness, the 99.9%, may be more valid.
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This is an excellent opinion vy David Quammen published NY times.
We cut the trees; we kill the animals or cage them and send them to markets. We disrupt ecosystems, and we shake viruses loose from their natural hosts. When that happens, they need a new host. Often, we are it. www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/opinion/coronavirus-china.html
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some notes and graphs for those who like numbers
- a report from the Imperial College, not a pretty reading (a short overview on Art Technica)
- a graph extracted from said report, doing the rounds on twitter
- reaction by the editor of the Lancet, Richard Horton – twitter thread
Good luck over there in the UK (and the US).
More positive
@colak the Chinese have one of the best large-scale emergency teams in the world. how do you think they built an emergency hospital in 7 days? A friend pf my wife saw them at work during one of the large earth-quakes in Southern-China. He was blown away, and he has some experience, he’s part time with the fire-brigade here in town.
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As if the Italians haven’t suffered enough, Bono sings them a song.
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As the UK is now in an almost total shutdown.
… Decisions that in normal times could take years of deliberation are passed in a matter of hours. Immature and even dangerous technologies are pressed into service, because the risks of doing nothing are bigger. Entire countries serve as guinea-pigs in large-scale social experiments. (www.ft.com/content/19d90308-6858-11ea-a3c9-1fe6fedcca75)
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