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Character set windows 1252 and UTF-8
India in the context of digital divide and Texxtpatten/bamchine
The context in which I am posting this topic is quite derivative from the topic subject. However, I would like to elaborate since I cannot risk “out of context” or any ambiguities.
Intorduction: I just edit and manage the web journal:
http://www.kannadasaahithya.com
- which tries to bring the best Kannada literature in to the cyberspace where “English is predoimnant”. I just seek all justifiable pride by managing the above said site and would like to say to the world around me “we too have the best.”
Being a non-techie, non-geek the ordous learning curve some time frustrates me. How then I can expect my rural-fellows to raise upto the challenges? I doubt. Here, I believe textpattern/bmachine can play a major role.
Whatever I serve depends up on the tools what “others have” and the targeted readers/visitors. In this case, I am also trying to reach “the rural India” where vistors are interested in Kannada literature. Needless to say that my rural India has to equip the advanced tools and OS like winxp (Certainly many decades to go for linux since the support base in regional language is almost nil).
A subject matter to developers of bmachine: How can textpattern/bamachine play some role, atleast making cyberspace digitally less divided?
By setting this agenda, I am also seeking or rather requesting for the much needed support in the context already above stated.
I plan to manage sites where charcter set is windos-1252 and utf-8
Reasons: windows-1252 (still rural India is hanging around only win 98 which do not display utf-8 characters)
I need UTF-8 to set all my data for future convinience and I like that to get catered to Urban readers (basically the folks from IT background who would like to get a glimpse in to their vernacular)
Textpattern/bamachine in this context:
Can I see textpattern/bmachine in developing admin interfaces to switch between windos-1252 and utf-8?
For instance WYSIWYG. and number of blogs.
Smooth function of image linking/browsing etc.
How to use it for a portal?
Hope, I get some responses.
PS: I have already downloaded textpattern and testing it locally. I also downloaded plugin which enables tinymce. But How to change the “text-area” to see the non-English text is the question that which is bugging me. Any solutions for this would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
-Regards
Last edited by shekharpoorna (2005-10-07 17:15:59)
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#2 2005-10-06 18:47:27
- NyteOwl
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Re: Character set windows 1252 and UTF-8
Reasons: windows-1252 (still rural India is hanging around only win 98 which do not display utf-8 characters)
I’m not sure I understand this. I have a Win98 machine I use regularly that supports UTF-8. Or was that something that was added in Win98SE?
Last edited by NyteOwl (2005-10-06 18:51:41)
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Re: Character set windows 1252 and UTF-8
Textpattern is built with and for utf8.
You would have to hack it here and there to make it work with windows-1252, though I wouldn’t recommend it – especially not if one installation is supposed to use both character-sets for a “mixed” site.
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Re: Character set windows 1252 and UTF-8
> NyteOwl wrote:
> Reasons: windows-1252 (still rural India is hanging around only win 98 which do not display utf-8 characters)
I’m not sure I understand this. I have a Win98 machine I use regularly that supports UTF-8. Or was that something that was added in Win98SE?
Hi NyteOwl,
Windows 98 do not display UTF-8 by default. Only Winxp and Linux do display UTF-8.
Ofcourse, IBM has given a utility that which displays UTF in IE. Asking visitors who do have win98 to download that utility is too much. As you know I am not talking only about UTF-8 or windows 1252. My concern how to deply the best technology in the counry where digital divide is too wide.
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Shekharpoorna
Founder/Editor
http://www.kannadasaahithya.com
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Re: Character set windows 1252 and UTF-8
> Sencer wrote:
> Textpattern is built with and for utf8.
You would have to hack it here and there to make it work with windows-1252, though I wouldn’t recommend it – especially not if one installation is supposed to use both character-sets for a “mixed” site.
Dear Sencer,
As I have stated only the “digital divide” is the reason why I have to have windows-1252 character set also. Since I am not geek/or techie who can hack, I would be grateful if any one can suggest a solution.
How can I have textarea that which recognises the “text” without dostorting so that editing can be done without any hassles.
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#6 2005-10-07 13:34:06
- KurtRaschke
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Re: Character set windows 1252 and UTF-8
I’m no expert on these things, but I would tend to agree that Textpattern should be left to UTF-8. Is there any way to get Apache or PHP (there is an output buffering handler for iconv) to filter the incoming and outgoing content and convert from UTF-8 to whatever charset is needed? Can content-negotiation headers be used to do that automatically? That way modern browsers could get UTF-8 (which is the right way to go), but older browsers could still get content converted to a character set they can use?
-Kurt
kurt@kurtraschke.com
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Re: Character set windows 1252 and UTF-8
Since I am not geek/or techie who can hack, I would be grateful if any one can suggest a solution.
It will probably a bit of work. Especially depending on the server-environemnt (and how much control you have), the specific browsers that are supposed to be supported, what browsers will be used by people accessing the backend, and which ones “only” on the front-end.
btw: Digital divide aside, I think anybody can download and install opera or firefox, it’s only a few MB and both have proper utf-8 support and will run on win9x. People that must run IE4.x have a lot bigger problems on the internet, than just funny characters on your page… (think spyware, trojans, viruses etc.).
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Re: Character set windows 1252 and UTF-8
> Sencer wrote:
> bq. Since I am not geek/or techie who can hack, I would be grateful if any one can suggest a solution.
It will probably a bit of work. Especially depending on the server-environemnt (and how much control you have), the specific browsers that are supposed to be supported, what browsers will be used by people accessing the backend, and which ones “only” on the front-end.
Front end can be controlled by way of templates and forms. Problem is with only back end. Particularly I am refering to text area. I think here option should be provided to switch between charater sets and font customisation (including in tinymce-plug in) that which will make editing the text as comfortable as possible.
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shekharpoorna
Founder/Editor
http://www.kannadasaahithya.com
Last edited by shekharpoorna (2005-10-13 16:25:16)
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