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#181 2005-01-25 13:42:34
Re: rc2 and 1.0
I love Dreamhost, their service and support have been 1st class in the year I’ve been with them so I don’t want to change.
Anyhow, the reason why I changed hosts last year was to try out Textpattern, I knew my previous host (1&1) had issues with custom htaccess files.
All I would like Textpattern to do is to run with clean URLs and PHP-CGI out of the box on Dreamhost. It did with g1.19, why can’t it with RC1 and above?
If I have to, then I’ll compile my own PHP and do it that way but it’s not something that I really want to get involved with.
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#182 2005-01-25 14:04:59
Re: rc2 and 1.0
Yep, “flexible,” native URL support has got to be the most desired/anticipated feature for TxP; no matter what host, path structure, or color of underpants.
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#183 2005-01-25 14:25:40
Re: rc2 and 1.0
> Destry wrote:
> Yep, “flexible,” native URL support has got to be the most desired/anticipated feature for TxP; no matter what host, path structure, or color of underpants.
Well, not exactly. I mean, if we got several weeks of delay to support IIS clean URL for example, I would be very disapointed.
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#184 2005-01-25 14:28:41
Re: rc2 and 1.0
> Destry wrote:
> Yep, “flexible,” native URL support has got to be the most desired/anticipated feature for TxP; no matter what host, path structure, or color of underpants.
Keep dreaming. It’s impossible to provide that. A host has things they need to bring to the table and lots of host don’t. There are still hosts not providing basics like MySQL and .htaccess support. And even though the TxP logo is a guy with a chisel, it requires a host with more than that.
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#185 2005-01-25 14:38:15
Re: rc2 and 1.0
My first host never added MySQL (to this day) nor did I have .htaccess (a little tiny company called “Earthlink”), and my second host (another large one, with over 10,000 customers) ran Zeus, not Apache. The Rewrite rules for Zeus are entirely different than they are for Apache. At my current host, I can run Textpattern with clean URL’s … and no .htaccess rules at all.
How does one cover that range of circumstances?
TextPattern user since 04/04/04
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#186 2005-01-25 14:41:12
Re: rc2 and 1.0
@Damelon: True enough. I just said desired and anticipated, not expected. Though I guess you just killed the <em>anticipated</em> part.
@Jeremie: Still though, and not that I give a hoot about IIS, the man is working on something in that area, URLs or otherwise…
<blockquote><em>Dean wrote (page 5):
Oh, anyone using IIS willing to try 1.0 and confirm a couple suspicions of mine, please get in touch by email.</em></blockquote>
@Reid: Agreed, you can’t. You just shoot for the largest pool and go from there, much like what WordPress has done.
EDIT: By the way, before this gets out of hand already, I made the comment about URLs (my mistake) simply because it’s a frequent topic, not because I expect anything, which I don’t, in fact.
Last edited by Destry (2005-01-25 14:58:35)
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#187 2005-01-25 14:56:22
Re: rc2 and 1.0
That’s why I had taken that example :)
From my point of view, Dean should provide clean URL to Apache with mod_rewrite capability (that’s the huge majority of hosts), in an open way so that others tools might be used; but that’s it. It’s fairly easy to adapt to others rewrite engines (and the forums are here to help share tips); the others might need to write their own hack/plugin/whatever.
But, what’s worse ? 3 people trying to have clean url on some weird host without rewrite capability, or 200 people trying to control their comment system (to take one example, but working flexible privilege is another one these days, or whatever bug/feature a lot of people are complaining about).
Last edited by Jeremie (2005-01-25 14:57:04)
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#188 2005-01-25 15:02:11
Re: rc2 and 1.0
Exactly, Jeremie. You beat me to it, but I suggested as much in my agreeable edit to Reid just above.
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#189 2005-01-25 15:45:01
Re: rc2 and 1.0
> Destry wrote:
> @Damelon: True enough. I just said desired and anticipated, not expected. Though I guess you just killed the anticipated part.
I killed it? I guess I just see this differently than some. I’ve actually gotten nasty emails from people complaining that TxP won’t work on their server. Foolishly I used to ask and try to help them only to be confronted with screaming about what shit it is that they can’t get it to run on their free hosting account. Why won’t it do clean links without .htaccess! whine
I would rather the anticipation of impossible things never take root.
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#190 2005-01-25 16:27:21
Re: rc2 and 1.0
“Killed it” meaning your point was well taken and that to <em>anticipate</em> anything is probably a bit much. Based on your situation there with hostile natives, I can certainly understand your perspective.
I know I’m guilty about giving newbies hope here and there in the boards that something might change with 1.0 with respect to URLs, but I never say anything actually <em>will</em> change; that’s not my position or in my knowledge. Still, I don’t think it’s far-fetched that Dean is thinking about URLs quite a bit, with all the static it creates, and has something cooking in that respect, even if it is just a “roadmap.” As Jeremie suggests, shoot for the largest, common user situation and you’ve made most of the savages happy.
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#191 2005-01-25 16:56:51
Re: rc2 and 1.0
guyweb likes Textdrive
Switch hosts.
Nuff said.
[Yes, this post was heavily edited by the evil admin marmot]
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#192 2005-01-25 18:18:13
Re: rc2 and 1.0
qrayg likes PMHHosting
Switch hosts.
Nuff said.
[Yes, this post was also heavily edited by the evil admin marmot]
Last edited by qrayg (2005-01-25 18:18:39)
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