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Re: Feedback: Textpattern CMS 4.9.0 beta.2 released
hidalgo wrote #339347:
From my testing, enhanced mail doesn’t need the SMTP settings filled in to work, so that would be the first level of improved deliverability. Then adding SMTP settings would be the second level of enhanced deliverability.
Hmm. That is one other way of looking at it… When viewing the settings, I am always lead to believe “enhanced mail” needs those SMTP settings to perform its magic. Your understanding –and confirmed by Bloke– make the SMTP settings actually optional and an extra layer of deliverability.
Bloke wrote #339348:
If you think the text can be improved or needs stuff adding to it to make the separation clearer, by all means suggest edits.
Perhaps changing something in the last sentence to:
“Additionally, using SMTP will provide better compatibility with some email providers and further enhance deliverability.”
(and eventually add something from this: ”The big daddy is SMTP because you have complete control over signing and security and whatnot, which steps up your game through the eyes of the servers handling your messages.”
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Re: Feedback: Textpattern CMS 4.9.0 beta.2 released
phiw13 wrote #339349:
When viewing the settings, I am always lead to believe “enhanced mail” needs those SMTP settings to perform its magic.
Right, yes, the interface isn’t obvious that those are a level-up option. Couldn’t think of a way to enable it (beyond a three-way radio, which complicates code later as we’d need to check two scenarios that use PHPMailer – one with, one without SMTP).
Ideas welcome to enhance UX clarity.
Perhaps changing something in the last sentence to:
“Additionally, using SMTP will provide better compatibility with some email providers and further enhance deliverability.”
Will do, plus some more details on SMTP and its optional nature.
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Re: Feedback: Textpattern CMS 4.9.0 beta.2 released
Bloke wrote #339350:
Right, yes, the interface isn’t obvious that those are a level-up option. Couldn’t think of a way to enable it (beyond a three-way radio, which complicates code later as we’d need to check two scenarios that use PHPMailer – one with, one without SMTP).
Ideas welcome to enhance UX clarity.
No not immediately. Best I could think earlier today:
On row 1: Use enhanced […] Yes/No (radio). Clicking Yes opens a row2 / second field: (additionally) use SMTP Yes/No (radio). Yes then opens SMTP details.
I suspect that will put you in some knots, code wise. And I don’t think it really improves or clarifies the hierarchy.
–^–
Not sure if this is a core issue or a plugin problem: when using the basic enhanced email setting and com_connect latest (4.9), there is double X-Mailer header:
X-Mailer: PHPMailer 6.9.3 (https://github.com/PHPMailer/PHPMailer)
X-Mailer: TextpatternScreenshot: dev.l-c-n.com/_b/x-mailer_phpmail.png, as seen in Mail.app (“he likes it soo much, he sends it twice”)
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Re: Feedback: Textpattern CMS 4.9.0 beta.2 released
phiw13 wrote #339351:
Best I could think earlier today:
On row 1: Use enhanced […] Yes/No (radio). Clicking Yes opens a row2 / second field: (additionally) use SMTP Yes/No (radio). Yes then opens SMTP details.
Hmm, yeah, a three-way toggle in two radios. Still not fun from a code standpoint
I’ve tweaked the wording of the pophelp as per your recommendation for now (in the pophelp repo, not merged to dev yet). That might help a bit, but it would be nice to mark the SMTP block as optional somehow.
Not sure if this is a core issue or a plugin problem: when using the basic enhanced email setting and com_connect latest (4.9), there is double
X-Mailerheader.
Pants. I’ll investigate, thank you. Suspect the plugin is adding it indiscriminately.
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Re: Feedback: Textpattern CMS 4.9.0 beta.2 released
Bloke wrote #339352:
[…] That might help a bit, but it would be nice to mark the SMTP block as optional somehow.
Alternative:
Add a small informative text note right after the h3?
There is a .txp-form-field-instructions class for that purpose, but on the Preferences panel, it sends the text to the far side. It is originally intended as help text aligned with the input fields (see prefs for glz_custom-fields).
An alternative maybe: set it to .secondary-text, that will align it with the headline
see: dev.l-c-n.com/txp-4.9/txp-admin-prefs.html
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Re: Feedback: Textpattern CMS 4.9.0 beta.2 released
phiw13 wrote #339353:
Add a small informative text note right after the
h3?
That’s a fab ida. I’m not sure the prefs panel is geared up to display stuff likevthat though, because it’s all automated and driven from the database. We do have the _instructions feature for textpack secondary information, but I think (as you say) this is just for fields, not labels and headings.
To do this kind of thing will require us to wire up a different type of undocumented notes feature for labels and/or headings. I’ll take a look.
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