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Re: Latent good trends
Algaris wrote #332678:
Sometimes depending on how much time I have or my mood I’ll wade through all of their specially chosen partners and disable each and everyone of them just to spite the company/website owners. Otherwise I’ll just hit the back button and go somewhere else.
Glad it’s not just me that does this!
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#18 2022-02-07 11:58:57
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Re: Latent good trends
etc wrote #332680:
Isn’t disabling all third-party cookies an option?
It is but I have come across a number of websites that won’t allow me to login unless they’re enabled. I’ll leave third-party cookies enabled depending on what I’m doing but I try to turn them off where possible.
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Yeah, third party cookies might work as a stop gap for some sites. But others… I hit a site the other day that popped up a cookie consent form with two buttons: accept/decline.
I clicked Decline.
A warning popped up to say that the site and shop might not work as well with cookies disabled.
I clicked OK.
It showed me the cookie consent form again.
I clicked Decline.
It said the site might not work very well if I don’t accept.
I clicked OK (even though it’s not okay).
It showed me the cookie consent form… ad infinitum.
I got bored and went elsewhere.
Where do they get these coders?
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I run pi-hole as a local DNS resolver, with blocklists for various places. I see a lot of tracking popups, even with AdGuard, but the tracking junk isn’t dumped on my computers…because of pi-hole, and its blocking…and so if the junk isn’t dumped on the computer, the next time I visit the site, I get the popup…because the stuff it wants to dump isn’t there already…because of pi-hole and it’s blocks.
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Hehe, I guess your decision is stored in a cookie, so they have to ask you twice for Decline. Concur for OK…
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I don’t see those nasty consent pop-ups all that often either because 1Blocker does a good job at blocking them or because, living where I live, get different tracking scripts (that are mostly blocked anyway).
One work around that harassment I use regularly when hitting such a wall is: pressing Cmd + Shift + R to activate Reader mode (in Safari). ) 90% of the time I can then quietly read the full article (Reader mode is an overlay above everything else) without bothering with the nuisance.
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Related to all this tracking, mildly amusing:
- Yahoo Japan will soon not be available in the EU anymore (source: Asahi.com): Reasons cited: managing tracking consent and data tracking. This will probably mostly affect Japanese people living in the EU.
- FB-Meta doing the same, it one can believe a speculative report by Wired / Ars Technica
I’ve seen some similar reports from (smaller) Japanese shopping mall sites about similar issues with cross-border data storage, despite “free trade” agreements between EU and Japan. Source was Nikkei (firewalled).
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phiw13 wrote #332688:
One work around that harassment I use regularly when hitting such a wall is: pressing
Cmd + Shift + Rto activate Reader mode (in Safari). ) 90% of the time I can then quietly read the full article
Great tip, thanks! Didn’t think of that.
Depending on how much I care about the content (i.e. if it’s available elsewhere, I go there instead) I’ve resorted to using the web inspector to delete the overlay popup node(s). Some sites sneakily ‘lock’ the display scrolling to Fixed via JavaScript so you then have to hunt for that script and disable it too.
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#25 2022-02-08 09:48:01
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Re: Latent good trends
phiw13 wrote #332688:
One work around that harassment I use regularly when hitting such a wall is: pressing
Cmd + Shift + Rto activate Reader mode (in Safari). ) 90% of the time I can then quietly read the full article (Reader mode is an overlay above everything else) without bothering with the nuisance.
I love Safari’s Reader mode and regularly use it when I want to read content where the consent form is too cumbersome to manage. I have noticed that some websites display a blank page when entering Reader mode. I wonder if that’s done deliberately to stop people bypassing their tracking.
Bloke wrote #332683:
Yeah, third party cookies might work as a stop gap for some sites. But others… I hit a site the other day that popped up a cookie consent form with two buttons: accept/decline.
I clicked Decline.
A warning popped up to say that the site and shop might not work as well with cookies disabled.
I clicked OK.
It showed me the cookie consent form again.
I clicked Decline.
It said the site might not work very well if I don’t accept.
I clicked OK (even though it’s not okay).
It showed me the cookie consent form… ad infinitum.
I’ve noticed that on some sites where I have third-party cookies enabled the consent popup reappears on every page I navigate to.
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Algaris wrote #332691:
I’ve noticed that on some sites where I have third-party cookies enabled the consent popup reappears on every page I navigate to.
Yes, there are some sites that go to some (great) length to prevent Reader Mode. Tracking and ads. All kind of JS manipulation. I am looking at you, SCMP (by no means the worst offender). Note that Chromium based browsers still don’t offer a build in Reader Mode. The great dictatorship of Google bro.
Annoying as hell sometimes, but if or when itis too bad, I just go somewhere else, after purging cookies and so on.
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#27 2022-02-08 13:41:19
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Re: Latent good trends
Yeah that really is annoying. I also just hit the back button sometimes when it becomes too much hassle to navigate through all the ads, autoplaying videos, pop overs, and overbearing consent forms.
I wish there was something similar for Safari, but when I have to use a chromium browser I install the Vanilla Cookie plugin. I then setup a whitelist of cookies I want to keep and set all other cookies to be deleted after five minutes.
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Algaris wrote #332697:
I wish there was something similar for Safari, but when I have to use a chromium browser I install the Vanilla Cookie plugin. I then setup a whitelist of cookies I want to keep and set all other cookies to be deleted after five minutes.
I haven’t used it but there’s SweetP’s cookie app for Safari. Not free, but I think it does what you describe.
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Algaris wrote #332697:
I wish there was something similar for Safari, but when I have to use a chromium browser I install the Vanilla Cookie plugin. I then setup a whitelist of cookies I want to keep and set all other cookies to be deleted after five minutes.
I don’t know any direct equivalent to that extension (which I don’t know in fact). The app Jakob suggest comes close, but I find it a bit of a sledgehammer, personally (data for all websites). And a little on the expensive side.
An option is to use the “Clear History” menu option (from the Safari menu). But that can only clear data for the last hour, nothing shorter. And again, it is an all-or-nothing option. You probably can automate it with AppleScript, I think as “Clear History” shows up in the AS dictionary.
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Re: Latent good trends
phiw13 wrote #332688:
One work around that harassment I use regularly when hitting such a wall is: pressing
Cmd + Shift + Rto activate Reader mode (in Safari). ) 90% of the time I can then quietly read the full article (Reader mode is an overlay above everything else) without bothering with the nuisance.
I use the Reader feature everywhere I can, just clicking the icon in the address bar of the browser. As noted, it doesn’t always work, especially on big news media sites. It will just put the cookie/paywall notice in Reader view.
I’ve always wondered if using Reader avoids the tracking as well as the visual pollution (I presume so), though I guess the server is still logging the hit/IP if one is not using a VPN.
jakob wrote #332659:
it seems to me, the only good news is that the trade body’s consent request mechanism has been found to be at best deficient and at worst wilfully negligent in its declared function. And that a data protection authority has bared its teeth so that there’s a glimmer of hope for better data protection practices in future.
Well, IAB has to ‘immediately’ delete it’s stored data collected from those pop-ups. That’s something. If they have to do that on the regular, maybe it will lead to something more.
Sure, tracking is money. I don’t expect they’ll try for anything less. That’s where other tools come in, I guess; Reader view, browser plugins, proxie sites… reading newspapers again, buying from local walk-in markets, using the fediverse tools/instances, whatever.
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