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#25 2021-02-08 17:13:44

colak
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Re: Core Web Vitals to affect Google rankings May 2021

More ideas:)
Are you compressing the content before delivery?
I know it is not nice for people who want to learn, but did you think of using pat_speeder?


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#26 2021-02-08 17:20:03

philwareham
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Re: Core Web Vitals to affect Google rankings May 2021

colak wrote #328633:

More ideas:)
Are you compressing the content before delivery?

Yes, the server has Gzip enabled. We are also in the process of testing Brotli which is better.

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#27 2021-02-08 17:24:18

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Re: Core Web Vitals to affect Google rankings May 2021

To be honest, the site is optimised to the max, apart from maybe a few server-side PHP caching tricks (and the aforementioned issue with one ad). The site even serves AVIF in a couple of places for images in cutting-edge browsers. I’ve been tweaking it over a few weeks with latest optimisation techniques just as an area of interest for my future work.

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#28 2021-02-08 18:10:29

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Re: Core Web Vitals to affect Google rankings May 2021

colak wrote #328633:

Are you compressing the content before delivery?

Aside from caching (which I’m testing at the moment), we’re very efficient on most things. Compression, optimisation, building PHP and Nginx from source to trim the stuff we don’t use, all sort of things.

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#29 2021-02-08 21:46:08

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Re: Core Web Vitals to affect Google rankings May 2021

colak wrote #328608:

I guess it has to do with search engine visibility. As much as it sucks G has the lion share of the market/prospective visitors. Using a less controversial language, having your site load quickly for your visitors is actually a good thing.

I am testing my sites on developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/ and I am getting high 90s scores both for desktop and mobile devices.

i see that google is dictaing that PNG images are now sub-standard!
Image formats like JPEG 2000, JPEG XR, and WebP often provide better compression than PNG or JPEG

PNG; Portable Network Graphics (PNG, officially pronounced PING, more commonly pronounced PEE-en-JEE) is a raster-graphics file format that supports lossless data compression. PNG was developed as an improved, non-patented replacement for Graphics Interchange Format (GIF).

So are we going to be continuously hounded to re-format years of images to suit G’s preferences?


…. texted postive

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#30 2021-02-08 22:49:19

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Re: Core Web Vitals to affect Google rankings May 2021

bici wrote #328651:

So are we going to be continuously hounded to re-format years of images to suit G’s preferences?

Yes. And not only for images. They are pushing hard for using AMP for “faster” delivery… yeah good try… anything on AMP sets the G. cookie as a first-party cookie. More detailed profiling by G, and on the way defeating mechanisms (ITP) that browsers such as Safari, Brave and Firefox build in to protect users privacy etc.


Where is that emoji for a solar powered submarine when you need it ?

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#31 2021-02-08 22:59:39

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Re: Core Web Vitals to affect Google rankings May 2021

philwareham wrote #328592:

In case you weren’t aware, core web vitals will start affecting your site SEO around May this year. Now would be a good time to get your site’s performance up to scratch.

Does the ranking depend on the front page of a website only, or does G considers the performance of individual pages / section for this ?


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#32 2021-02-09 05:24:32

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Re: Core Web Vitals to affect Google rankings May 2021

phiw13 wrote #328654:

Does the ranking depend on the front page of a website only, or does G considers the performance of individual pages / section for this ?

I guess that as the traffic from google is organic, it considers the performance of the particular webpage returned in their search results.


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#33 2021-02-12 15:30:50

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Re: Core Web Vitals to affect Google rankings May 2021

bici wrote #328607:

so what does this all mean for us plebes? do we need to care?

I just did some tests, and sites can go up from 40s or 50s, to the high 90s if loading="lazy" is added to the images (and their thumbnails). I understand that this will be one of the added features in the next txp update, unless of course I am mistaken. It would be nice if this feature has its setting to true by default as it will save a lot of time for many people… including the visitors.

Today I have spent 4 hours updating all the txp:image tags in the articles of one of our subdomains.

I first amended my figure shortcode to the one below, and then went through all instances and changed txp:image id="##" class="my class" to txp::figure ...

<txp:if_yield name="id">
	<txp:images id='<txp:yield name="id" />'>
		<txp:if_yield name="caption">
			<figure itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/ImageObject" <txp:if_yield name="class"> class="<txp:yield name="class" />"</txp:if_yield>>
				<txp:if_yield name="url"><a href="<txp:yield name="url" />"></txp:if_yield><img src="/images/<txp:yield name="id" /><txp:image_info type="ext" />"  width="<txp:image_info type="w" />" height="<txp:image_info type="h" />" title="<txp:image_info type="alt" />" alt="<txp:image_info type="alt" />" loading="lazy" /><txp:if_yield name="url"></a></txp:if_yield>
				<figcaption><txp:if_yield name="url"><a href="<txp:yield name="url" />"></txp:if_yield><txp:yield name="caption" escape="tidy,textile" /><txp:if_yield name="url"></a></txp:if_yield></figcaption>
			</figure>
		<txp:else />
			<txp:if_yield name="url"><a href="<txp:yield name="url" />"></txp:if_yield><img src="/images/<txp:yield name="id" /><txp:image_info type="ext" />" width="<txp:image_info type="w" />" height="<txp:image_info type="h" />" alt="<txp:image_info type="alt" />"  class="<txp:yield name="class" />" loading="lazy" /><txp:if_yield name="url"></a></txp:if_yield>
		</txp:if_yield>
	</txp:images>
</txp:if_yield>

The images loaded from the pages templates were of course updated without any sweat.


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#34 2021-02-12 15:54:05

philwareham
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Re: Core Web Vitals to affect Google rankings May 2021

I’ve done massive work on Textpattern.com’s family of official sites this week to get their performance as good as I can. Getting Lighthouse scores of 97/100 on mobile and 100/100 on desktop in Chrome. Pretty happy with that.

I’m not a huge fan of above the fold inline CSS though, so I doubt I’ll ever achieve a 100/100 on mobile.

Big thanks to Pete as well for tweaking the server multiple times at my request.

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#35 2021-02-12 16:25:09

Bloke
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Re: Core Web Vitals to affect Google rankings May 2021

colak wrote #328823:

I understand that [loading=“lazy”] will be one of the added features in the next txp update

It’s already in Txp 4.8.3 :) But it’s off by default so you need to add loading="lazy" to your <txp:image> tags.

One thing we might do is allow <txp:images> to take the attribute and then ‘pass it on’ to all its container tags, but that involves global variables which we’re trying to cut down so it might wait until (if) we refactor the tag registry.


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#36 2021-02-12 16:26:01

Bloke
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Re: Core Web Vitals to affect Google rankings May 2021

philwareham wrote #328825:

I’ve done massive work on Textpattern.com’s family of official sites this week to get their performance as good as I can.

Holy speedcakes! That’s impressive work, gentlemen. Thank you so much.


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