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Although not specifically related to them, with the advent of pageless sections and calling content in from other (hidden) sections to a single page potentially being more commonplace, we’ll often use:
<txp:article_custom section="pageless-content" form="some-form" limit="999" />(among many other traditional uses for article_custom, such as counting total articles, setting variables, filtering articles, and so forth).
Dunno about anyone else but, it’s always seemed a bit of a hack to have to include a limit there to get “everything”. Is there any syntax we could offer that would mean ‘all’ without breaking backwards compatibility?
I wondered if perhaps just valueless limit might work, but that currently returns the same as limit="1".
Any thoughts on this?
Last edited by Bloke (2020-05-28 16:11:05)
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Maybe all="1" which can be shorthanded to all? That would need to override the limit field if both were present.
Or limit="all". Or limit="none" at a push. Both of those could be misinterpreted though, I feel.
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Yeah, thanks. I was thinking of some magic non-numeric value for limit too. But, as you say, it’s not so obvious what they mean:
limit="none"could mean unlimited, or that limit should have no effect, or that there should be no articles returned.limit="all"could mean unlimited, or that all limits apply (whatever that may imply).limit="0"is unintuitive and could mean unlimited or return no content (which is what it currently does).- a new attribute like
allis cleanest, but those three letters in a complicated article tag with a tonne of other attributes could be easy to miss/debug.
I dunno. Maybe it’s something we have to live with. Be interesting if anyone has any ideas that might lead us to a solution that’s unambiguous.
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limit="no"? limit="null"? limit="ignore"? limit="ignored"?
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Just keep in mind that it is impossible to do globally and hence must be done tag by tag, for consistency.
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etc wrote #323369:
Just keep in mind that it is impossible to do globally and hence must be done tag by tag, for consistency.
That’s a good point. Hmmm. Maybe I should just shut up and save us work :)
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I would think that people who will be using pageless-content sections will be thinking about them in different ways to how we are currently using sections.
A way would be limitless as Stef suggested, and demoncleaner has demonstrated with his ‘teams’ pages, another would be to create a front page of an existing section, similarly to how many use sticky articles. As such, I think that the id or status of the articles would be much more important. Limit would indeed be handy as well, but I think that we are all thinking from within the txp box for now.
As such I agree with Oleg, that pageless sections should have the same attributes as the rest of the sections, until we experiment enough and find the limits of this feature.
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colak wrote #323371:
pageless sections should have the same attributes as the rest of the sections, until we experiment enough and find the limits of this feature.
Sorry, to be clear I wasn’t specifically talking about pageless content here (I’ve edited the OP to clarify). It just cropped up because I was thinking about it. I’m referring to our use of limit everywhere, in all tags.
People often use <txp:article_custom section="blah" limit="9999">... some conditional content ...</txp:article_custom> to extract some or all posts, or count stuff, or set variables, and the 9999 thing always seems hackish to me.
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Bloke wrote #323372:
Sorry, to be clear I wasn’t specifically talking about pageless content here (I’ve edited the OP to clarify). It just cropped up because I was thinking about it. I’m referring to our use of
limiteverywhere, in all tags.People often use
<txp:article_custom section="blah" limit="9999">... some conditional content ...</txp:article_custom>to extract some or all posts, or count stuff, or set variables, and the 9999 thing always seems hackish to me.
Whoops, as usual I misunderstood. I’m easy either way but I know what you mean. I know it is counter-intuitive but I agree with limit="0" as an option when thinking in binary.
>Edited to add. I also agree that as this is mostly an aesthetic change, which requires more work than just changing a global variable, I would spend my time in something more functional.
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For the youth: limit="♾️", and for the greybeards limit="∞"
(I’m posting this in jest, for clarity, but I would be overjoyed if some sparkly etcMagick© happened and this became an Easter egg.)
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I suppose limit="unlimited" is a bit much to type? How about limit="unset", or even limit="..."?
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Bloke wrote #323367:
Yeah, thanks. I was thinking of some magic non-numeric value for
limittoo. But, as you say, it’s not so obvious what they mean:
limit="none"could mean unlimited, or that limit should have no effect, or that there should be no articles returned.limit="all"could mean unlimited, or that all limits apply (whatever that may imply).limit="0"is unintuitive and could mean unlimited or return no content (which is what it currently does).- a new attribute like
allis cleanest, but those three letters in a complicated article tag with a tonne of other attributes could be easy to miss/debug.
From looking through the discussion:
<txp:article_custom section="pageless-content" form="some-form" limit="unlimited" />
<txp:article_custom section="pageless-content" form="some-form" unlimited />
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