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Re: Brave Browser
Destry wrote #317532:
That said, just learned about Iridium Browser, but I don’t know much about it yet.
Hmmm
But it does call home to Google …
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Re: Brave Browser
Iridium is based on Chrome, and they’re transparent about that, but unlike Vivaldi, for example, they seem to be modifying it more proactively:
We analysed the code of Chromium and stripped out the functionality which exposes data to others in a way we don‘t like.
So, there might be some Goog code signature there, but that may not mean it’s still insecure or benefiting trackers, and especially Google.
But, again, I don’t know much about it, just what I’m reading there. Nice to see projects trying. And it is out of Germany, a place that hates Google, for the most part.
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Re: Brave Browser
Destry wrote #317532:
Future versions of mainstream browsers, except FF (so far), to prevent disabling ‘click-track’ browsing. I.e., they’re going to make it easier for scuzballs to track you.
I don’t think that is correct – and the discussion around this is at least 10 years old. See e.g R. Mondelo (Safari engineer). Or a commenter on Michael Tsai’s blog. Just picking up a few (very few) dissenting opinions.
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Re: Brave Browser
phiw13 wrote #317536:
I don’t think that is correct
Which part, exactly? Excepting the ‘I.e.’ there, which was just my lack of knowledge on the matter.
All I know is the article is from a couple days ago.
It does give kudos to Brave, which I missed the first pass.
But this site is happily using Quantcast ad-tracking, the scurge of GDPR, so the double-stardard is offputting. Gawd, I hate sites like this.
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Re: Brave Browser
Destry wrote #317540:
Which part, exactly? Excepting the ‘I.e.’ there, which was just my lack of knowledge on the matter.
the privacy thing / making it easier to track you.
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Re: Brave Browser
phiw13 wrote #317541:
the privacy thing / making it easier to track you.
So you disagree with my interpretation of the article. Fair, I could certainly be wrong.
But what it seems to be saying is those browsers are disabling the ability to skirt the ping tracking, and the author even concludes:
What this means is that starting next month when Chrome 74 is released to the stable branch, the Edge, Chrome, Opera, and Safari browsers will no longer offer a way of disabling this tracking feature and privacy risk.
So you disagree with that conclusion?
I’m not trying to challenge your position or defend one I don’t have. I’m just trying to learn what this all means and whether it’s anything to care about. If you know something the author doesn’t, enlighten us. ;)
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What I disagree with is that enabling the ‘feature’ is an additional privacy risk. Disable it and you are, as a user, still exposed to a truckload of ways to track you, and redirecting you or massaging the target of a link in obscure, undiscoverable ways.
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Re: Brave Browser
phiw13 wrote #317566:
Disable it and you are, as a user, still exposed to a truckload of ways to track you, and redirecting you or massaging the target of a link in obscure, undiscoverable ways.
That is no doubt true. And ping tracking is probably insignificant in relation.
But still, I’d rather the number of ways I can be screwed getting fewer, not more, and this seems like an odd position for browsers to take. Any software that prevents users from opting for more privacy, however comparatively futile, is a bad position for that software, I think. The wrong direction.
It doesn’t hurt me to not use Chrome, Safari, Opera (haha, Opera)… There are still options, so far.
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Re: Brave Browser
Destry wrote #317573:
But still, I’d rather the number of ways I can be screwed getting fewer, not more, and this seems like an odd position for browsers to take. Any software that prevents users from opting for more privacy, however comparatively futile, is a bad position for that software, I think. The wrong direction.
Hmm, what if ping, as a browser approved and build-in mechanism, is actually much less invasive (the browser’s ITP or whatever tracking prevention is build in – Safari / Firefox / Opera to a lesser extent can much more easily manage it); and, perhaps is destined to deprecate a myriad of tracking techniques currently being used ? That was at least the original intent of this feature.
It doesn’t hurt me to not use Chrome, Safari, Opera (haha, Opera)… There are still options, so far.
Do you really trust Brave, Vivaldi, and all those other players that build on Chromium ? Even Firefox is less than safe. A possible option is Lynx or other command line browsers. But you won’t get very far, I fear.
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Re: Brave Browser
phiw13 wrote #317579:
what if
ping, as a browser approved and build-in mechanism, is actually much less invasive . . . and, perhaps is destined to deprecate a myriad of tracking techniques currently being used ? That was at least the original intent of this feature.
If that’s the case, fine. But is that the case yet?
Do you really trust Brave, Vivaldi, and all those other players that build on Chromium ?
I don’t use them.
But I do have IceCat installed, sitting there mostly unused. Tor browser too, just as unloved. And I do use Safari to test my layout hacks. But 99% of the time it’s FF, and I’ve become highly dependent on the tab stacking extension.
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John Wilander, Apple (Safari team), explains how it works, in concert with Safari’s ITP2.0: Link Click Analytics and Privacy (Webkit.org blog post).
That is for Safari. Chrome does not have any build-in tracking prevention, of course. And Google engineers try hard to make it as difficult as possible to implement something like that. To their credit Chromium engineers are do their best in fighting the good fight (it is still possible to install ad-blocking extensions on Chrome, afaik).
(now back to fight for things that really matter – on the menu today, Chelsea and Julian).
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Just read it through a different source and was coming here to say I understand your position better now, I think.
Basically, tradeoffs. But Apple sems to be making the best choice, for the sake of… performance?
And use those blocking tools!
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Re: Brave Browser
Destry wrote #317605:
Basically, tradeoffs. But Apple sems to be making the best choice, for the sake of… performance?
Yes tradeoffs (in the development of a browser) – performance and privacy vs the need to have buy-in from the site-developers…
And use those blocking tools!
Yes! – look here (othermaciej is the lead of team Safari, fwiw).
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Re: Brave Browser
‘Disengenuous’ Brave.
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