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Re: TXP:CMS growing rapidly
You’re a good listener, Stef, and I think everyone including Bert knows that. And I must admit I was surprised too at Bert’s rapid decision to fork. But there’s a lot of history and lack of action, real or perceived, and it comes down to personalities I guess. I can see the frustration, impatience and business opportunity like maverick sees. But I can also see the determination, urgency and vision that has got Bert in its grip. He’s full of enthusiasm and seems compelled to make his vision a reality and the time has come to take action. He’s heard so many words over the years that it could have been anything at all that triggered his decision to leave the forum for good and go his way. (Certainly not you alone, in case you might be thinking that)
He’s like a fireball or snowball gathering momentum and I believe something good is going to come of his actions, so I’ve supported him in my little way with txpcms just to see where it will end up. I haven’t got a clue what he will do when you get the themes built in. I also don’t know just how well his Bootstrapped themes will go down with a new audience. If his themes are well documented and very easy to install, swap etc then even if yours are much lighter and easier and flexible (which I think they will be), there could well be a demand for both and they could complement rather than rival each other.
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Re: TXP:CMS growing rapidly
But there’s a lot of history and lack of action, real or perceived
Perceived. There’s been a ton of action! But it’s accompanied by discussion, and rightly so.
Stef has really solid ideas regarding the un-bucketing of things, which makes TXP more flexible. If this made Bert feel bad, that sucks, but adding more form types is not necessarily on solid ground if you look at other CMS software, which is heading in e.g. Stef’s direction of just making everything pages.
Overall, this stuff from Bert feels like it doesn’t grasp the reality of TXP, speaking of both the software and the community. For example, we could be building on existing strengths rather than lending all of our focus to trying to jack TXP up higher and higher into prepackaged theme territory to please the WordPress-user gods.
TXP also has some incredible plugins now and it feels really zany to see a fork/repackaging/random pedicure happening, right when development is opening up even more than in the past.
Last edited by maruchan (2015-08-20 23:20:29)
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If I understand correctly – I’m all for it – the more exposure the better :)
Look at wordpress – they have Studiopress / Woothemes / Yoothemes / Eleganttheme etc…. all of these use textpattern as a base, with their own framework / structure built around it…
But I’m not sure thats what he is trying to do…. it just looks like 4 good websites with information on textpattern – more exposure = Great :)
Am I missing something here?
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Re: TXP:CMS growing rapidly
ruud wrote #294257:
LOL… that isn’t my linkedin profile he’s linking to.
You must have been forked too!
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I didn’t know Bert left the community already, again.
maverick wrote #294272:
If one tracks Bert’s trajectory from his return to his most recent/final(?) post, it was rather intense.
Yep, I noticed the same thing, even three weeks back, but simply saw it as new energy from someone away from the herd for a while.
I also noticed he was collecting things along the way. For example, he wanted the user docs dump, and he was quick to take We Love Txp, and maybe he put in a private word for zero’s domains, I don’t know. But considering how things have panned out suddenly, just when there was good energy here, I can’t help wonder if he had a Plan B, and it was actually Plan A all along. And maybe his aggressive push on issues and sudden “I’m out” was an excuse to do what he really wanted to do anyway.
Whether or not that’s true, and I’m not saying it is, he’s free to do it. (Fork off, Bert!) He certainly seems to have a lot of time on his hands. Maybe that’s where all the intensity is coming from. Idle hands can make a person edgy. I just think it’s a little unfortunate. He was a tree-rattler, like me, which I can appreciate, because projects need people like that to keep perspective from time to time. But I’m more patient than most, admittedly (I’m still here after all my years of griping), and maybe he’s not.
You guys seem to know better than I if he’s really forking. But if so, then he should at least step away from the brand. That part doesn’t seem like fair play, and especially using a logo that was thrown-out spec for Textpattern’s current brand. I mean, if you’re going to fork a project, you name it something completely different to get away from the old and start something new, right? (Though the triumphant Xpattern didn’t really do that either.)
On the other hand, if he’s forking and adopts “TXP” as his brand, that’s fine with me too. It means you lot can’t use that stupid acronym here anymore without plugging his party. Ha! (Quick, Bert, get a trademark on that!)
All kidding aside, I don’t see that this project has anything to worry about. Keep doing what you’re doing, Stef, and people will be theming in Textpattern in multi-languages just fine. And if not, so what, Bert will have it covered for those who need a generic way out. There are bigger fish to catch, who are more interested in content structuring and publishing mechanisms than quick-skinning.
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Dear Textpattern users and devs,
I hear your concerns and I sit at a crossroads, promote Textpattern or pull away completely.
Go with TXP CMS, or call it something like HCG CMS ?
So I’ll end up with sites titled HCG CMS, HCG Themes, HCG Tags and HCG Planet. I can’t go with We Love HCG, someone would have to take that site over, some TXP community member with time on their hands.
Now, I’ll need to change template tags from txp:article to hcg:article, wouldn’t want to confuse any users that may stumble onto HCG Tags.
Which in turn would make any current and future HCG Themes incompatible with Textpattern.
Should HCG CMS gain traction, plugin authors would need to adapt their plugins to an HCG world.
Documentation, tutorials and blog articles would not make mention of Textpattern, the only way someone would know that HCG CMS is based on Textpattern would be to view the PHP source code.
The current TXP domains would redirect to their HCG equivalents, a Textpattern entity may petition me for domain donations.
Can’t think of anything else I would need to change to appease the Textpattern community, but I’m open to suggestions.
Oh yeah, one more thing, I’ll need to donate my txp:love t-shirt to the Goodwill, that’s going to hurt.
We Love TXP . TXP Themes . TXP Tags . TXP Planet . TXP Make
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Bert,
I applaud you for coming forward on this. Rather than trying to solve this on the forum… how about discussing it at the Textpattern meetings coming up Oct 10. We’ll talk about it in North Carolina, and you’ll have an opportunity to talk to fellow Textpattern users (and Devs) meeting in the UK via Skype.
I like talking. Sometimes we humans let things escalate when we have a keyboard. The world has more nuance when we sit down and talk.
Keith
PS – Hurricane Joaquin looks like it may stay out to sea. There is still anxiety, but we are calmer now at the NC coast.
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#23 2015-10-01 22:00:42
- GugUser
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Re: TXP:CMS growing rapidly
towndock wrote #295319:
Sometimes we humans let things escalate when we have a keyboard. The world has more nuance when we sit down and talk.
Without going into the subject: Very well said!
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towndock wrote #295319:
Bert,
We’ll talk about it in North Carolina, and you’ll have an opportunity to talk to fellow Textpattern users (and Devs) meeting in the UK via Skype.
Hi
If we can make meeting via Skype then more people can join no?
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#25 2015-10-03 15:17:22
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Re: TXP:CMS growing rapidly
hcgtv wrote #295315:
promote Textpattern or pull away completely.
Quick and easy:
Stay with Textpattern, I’d say:
The plugin situation alone for an HCG CMS is and will be desert-like. And although you can bend Textpattern like pretzel dough, its slimness very often requires plugins, plugins of the most various sorts.
Stay, please:
Textpattern, on the other hand, lacks themes now, after the decay of Textgarden.
And also code-sided: Textpattern could need some hands.
In bad weather I never leave home without wet_plugout, smd_where_used and adi_form_links
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