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Re: Textpattern Legal Entity
Thanks maverick for relinking to Tiki. After more careful reading, I now believe the Mission, Vision and Values I wrote above belong to the Textpattern community, rather than the legal entity. Similarly, with colak’s aims and objectives.
Although Piwik’s mission statement also includes the community, and our entity, if we wish, can be one and the same as the Textpattern community but with additional powers, on reflection I think the Textpattern Association (or whatever we are going to call it) should be separate, following the Tiki model.
So, imho, the aims and objectives of the entity will be along the lines of:
- supporting the Textpattern community and its mission, values, vision, aims and objectives with funding, ownership, legal matters, representation, public relations, communication, admin and decision-making.
The aims and objectives of the community will be much more specific:
AIMS AND OBJECTIVES
The Textpattern community will
Support and develop friendly, secure, sensible software creation
by
- developing web-based, open-source software (currently Textpattern CMS)
- updating the software and ensuring compatibility with selected web environments
- ensuring that the software has no known vulnerabilities
- etc but going into detail
Support and develop clear, respectful, helpful communication
by
- supporting developers with testing, feedback etc
- supporting each other and end users with respect etc
- developing documentation etc
- developing communication channels etc
- etc but going into detail
(Lots of work to be done, obviously. How’s that feel?)
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Here again. Sorry for disturbing your Friday afternoon. There’s going to be lots of discussion and decisions to make before a Textpattern Friendly Society / Community Association / Content Management Society / Corporation / Legal Entity is formed. And afterwards too. Can we have a new sub-forum?
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You can’t have sub forums in this version of FluxBB sorry. I will read through all these posts as soon as I can but I’m with the majority decision on this. Will hopefully get the other devs to chime in with their thoughts soon.
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zero wrote #294138:
So, imho, the aims and objectives of the entity will be along the lines of:
here are some corrections/additions/food for thought
- supporting the Textpattern community and its mission, values, vision, aims and objectives with funding, ownership, legal matters, representation, public relations, communication, admin and decision-making.
The aims and objectives of the community will be much more specific:
AIMS AND OBJECTIVES
The Textpattern community will
Support and/or develop friendly, secure, sensible software creation
by
- supporting or developing web-based, open-source software (currently Textpattern CMS)
- updating the software and ensuring compatibility with selected web environments
- ensuring that the software has no known vulnerabilities
- etc but going into detail
Support and develop clear, respectful, helpful communication
by
- supporting developers with testing, feedback etc
- supporting each other and end users with respect etc
- developing documentation etc
- developing communication channels etc
- etc but going into detail
(Lots of work to be done, obviously. How’s that feel?)
Funding
The Textpattern Association/Foundation is non-profit. Funding is nevertheless accepted for development fees, legal costs, marketing and public relations.
Representation
The Association/Foundation will be representing the interests of Textpattern software, its developers, employees its community of users in matters relating to the software.
The Association/Foundation will not have any political affiliations/aims
Membership
….
Administration
The Association/Foundation is administered of an 7 member committee as follows
- 2 developers
- 2 support forum admins/moderators
- 3 members
Voting
…. how? Should this be via some software?
Term
Members of the committee will be voted every 2 years
Widowed board position
In case of…. the position is filled by the person with most votes…. where’s a layer when I need one?
Board meetings
…
Quorum
The Board is considered a “quorum” if 4 members are present
Decisions
Decisions of the Board are taken by a majority of board members attending the meeting. The vote is open unless three (3) members request a secret ballot. The decisions are recorded in the textpattern website and executed by the Secretary or Assistant Secretary. The language used will be English.
SUB-Committees.
…
Duties of the board
…
Obligations and rights for members
…
General meetings.
- Once a year – should be virtual
Notification proceedure
…
Quorum
…
Decisions in general meetings
….
Electoral process for the Board
…
Voters
…
Candidates
…
Changes to the constitution.
….
Yiannis
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Hi Yiannis, thanks for the work. The voting part will need to be scritised thoroughly as there will need to be stability for Members. All looking good so far though I think.
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There is a part I did not include as it definitely needs to be discussed.
Will there be a membership fee? This will need an online form and an application which will count months or years and send reminders.
Membership of course could be free.
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colak wrote #294162:
There is a part I did not include as it definitely needs to be discussed.
Will there be a membership fee? This will need an online form and an application which will count months or years and send reminders.
Membership of course could be free.
I believe you would have to have some kind of membership. Perhaps with voting rights.
Perhaps there should also be an annual fee to cover on-going administrative costs.
…. texted postive
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bici wrote #294176:
I believe you would have to have some kind of membership. Perhaps with voting rights.
Perhaps there should also be an annual fee to cover on-going administrative costs.
There are pros and cons with paid membership. From my end we set up 2 NGOs neither of which charges a membership fee. The reason is that we initially wanted to keep the fee low and inclusive to all income classes (€20/year) and then we thought that we did not want to rush to people to collect the money so no fee made good sense.
We should I think have some pre conditions on membership acceptance.
Here are some ideas for discussion.
- the member has to have a txp powered site
- designers who designed at least x number of txp sites even though their own is powered by another system
- registered txp plugin devs
- honorary membership goes to all devs past-present-future
- other honorary membership?
If you agree with the above, we have to have a clause about whose membership is revoked and the reasons for that. Again, here are some ideas
- member has moved to another system
- designer has not designed or maintained a txp site for over 2 years (how do we keep tab?)
- plugin dev has moved to another system and does not support their plugins for more than 2 years
- member wants to withdraw their own membership.
- death
Yiannis
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Yiannis
I’ve not arrived at an opinion yet – though I am leaning towards one option right now
For the purpose of discussion – how would the membership criteria for a Txp Assoc as suggested differ from the general community – beyond a membership application?
It seems broad enough that it would be almost everyone. It seems to me that being part of the association should be easily accessible, but require a greater level of investment.
Vetting and maintaining membership based on site development either would be “take their word for it” or make for more work. Doable? Yes. Worth the time of someone? It seems like there might be more productive pursuits.
I would hate to have someone who is active and wants to contribute not able to participate due to lack of funds, but an annual membership fee would seem to offer a lot of positives and allow for a simple membership criteria. Only people who have paid are on the membership rolls. The rolls automatically reset each year, keeping the rolls up to date. Easy to vette/verify. Since part of the purpose of the association is to help pay for domain names, etc., which requires money, then it would make logical sense to connect membership requirements to the goal of the organization.
I would agree to waiving the membership fee for developers – both active and emeritus. Their contribution has an ongoing value over above other membership activities.
If we were to go with a fee, it should be accessible to the student, to other non-profits, and to the hobbyist, and not just those who are able to generate significant income from their website development and/or who can write it off as a business expense.
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Hi mike,
I’m by no means against a membership fee but as you pointed out what would the difference be between the members and the rest of the community?
The obvious thing would be the right to vote but I would personally not want to see a preferential treatment to either. My experience in this forum is that everybody is offering, even by asking a question and receiving an answer as most of the times it’s the questions which guide the documentation of the solutions.
So what are everybody’s views re membership v community?
Yiannis
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colak wrote #294197:
even by asking a question and receiving an answer as most of the times it’s the questions which guide the documentation of the solutions.
That is a worthwhile point.
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colak wrote #294197:
So what are everybody’s views re membership v community?
I’m for fewer barriers to participation. Not sure I understand what advantages membership would bring the community or the participant.
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Thinking about the practical aspects of voting, how will members be invited to vote? A forum announcement will go unnoticed by some. How much work will be needed to contact members by their forum email, or by an email they give on becoming a new member? Someone will be needed to administer this, so does the number of members make a difference or not for their workload. If the number of members makes a difference to workload, then a small membership fee ($2 per year?) would probably be enough to weed out those not really interested. (Free for core and plugin developers and moderators)
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Digging a bit more into Tiki’s setup, they view the Tiki Community as more fluid, and the Tiki Association as more stable. That makes sense to me.
They have voting membership, non-voting membership, and a right of rejection when they believe interests conflict:
From The Role of the Tiki Software Community Association
Membership
Membership will allow people to get involved in the Association. To maintain the current way of working within the Tiki Community, the Association will initially consist of members of the Tiki Admin Group as its only VOTING members. This is consistent with the Tiki Admin Group’s current system of voting on issues. Subsequently, new VOTING members can only be added by successful vote of the Board of Directors.
For purposes of fund raising and involving more people in its day-to-day operation, the Association will offer NON-VOTING memberships to individuals, non-profit organizations and corporations, for a fee which will differ depending on whether the member is an individual, non-profit, or corporation (will depend on size of corporation). These members join out of their self-desire to contribute to the Association and to be associated with it on a regular basis. The Association will organize special meetings (online/offline), provide a special newsletter, etc…, to help keep in touch with members in a more formally recognized way, and to make their ongoing fee contribution worthwhile. We hope that many from the extended user and contributor base of Tiki will sign up to show their support for Tiki, individuals, non-profits, and corporations alike.
While anyone can apply to be a NON-VOTING member, as a safeguard the Association has the right to reject individuals, non-profits, or corporations where there could be perceived or real conflicts of interest with that of the Tiki Community.
Also a FAQ:
What if I simply want to join Tiki?
Tiki is a free and open source software project. Anyone can join and participate without paying or officially joining anything — simply tiki-register.php. For more information about the community in general, see WhoWhat.
Last edited by maverick (2015-08-18 17:12:35)
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mrdale wrote #294202:
I’m for fewer barriers to participation. Not sure I understand what advantages membership would bring the community or the participant.
Membership for associations is a legal per-requisite. In Cyprus an association should at any point have at least 20 members. I don’t know how it is in other countries.
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