Textarea Toolbars

hcgtv · 2015-07-17 17:47:10

Many moons ago, we looked into toolbars for Textpattern, times have changed, better options exists today.

Let me start the ball rolling with some that I’ve found and I’m testing locally.

Thanks to daymond for pointing me in their direction – check out the features in FeatherBB, it’s FluxBB with a responsive design architecture among other core enhancements, I’m keeping an eye on this project.

hcgtv · 2015-07-17 21:13:05

I contacted Redactor, here is the exchange, it starts at the bottom and goes up.

Art replied

Jul 17, 1:18pm
Hi Bert,

That's pretty much why this license is called OEM — to account for such cases. 
Spinning off the e-Textpattern is permitted use as long as overall product is still 
Textpattern CMS, with or without new bells and whistles. However, if you decide 
to modify Textpattern CMS to Textpattern Calculator (completely different product), 
you'd need a new license for it.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

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Bert Garcia replied

Hi Art,

So we can distribute our project with Redactor included, as long as a
License file for Redactor is included in the distribution noting that
your software is not Open Source, got it.

Now here's a wrinkle, let's say I take the Textpattern project and add
an E-Commerce spin to it, with plugins, themes, etc. Then I distribute
is as e-Textpattern or whatever name I come up with, how does your
licensing affect what I want to do with Textpattern.

I'm just trying to get a handle of what we'd be up against if we include
your software in our project.

Art replied

Jul 17, 11:42am
Hi Bert,

Thanks for your question. For open source projects there's an OEM license 
available at http://imperavi.com/redactor/download/. The only limitation is that 
Redactor itself doesn't become open source when you purchase this license 
and include Redactor in your product; Redactor remains our intellectual 
property and the OEM license only gives permission 
to integrate Redactor with open source products.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

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Bert Garcia sent a message

Jul 17, 8:07am
Hi,

We're in a discussion over at the Textpattern CMS forums about Redactor
licensing.

http://forum.textpattern.com/viewtopic.php?pid=293401#p293401

We'd like to include a WYSIWYG toolbar for our users, Textpattern uses
the Textile markup language for articles, and for new users it could
be hard to grasp at first, so we're looking at toolbars.

If we purchased an OEM license for Redactor, monies coming from generous
donations from the community, what restrictions would we be under, if any?

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jakob · 2015-07-17 21:30:16

Thanks Bert, that looks pretty positive…

One concern with Redaktor, or another editor for that matter, is how to handle embedded txp:code, e.g. like smd_macro bits or bits of txp:php, an embedded linklist or what have you… It would be a step back to cripple the body field to only the tags allowed by the wysiwyg editor.

Otherwise, I’d be in favour of a clear and simple solution with minimum ui and not the “Battlestar Galactica” that you get with ck-editor and co. Being able to embed images via drag and drop (like in the redactor demo) would be verrry nice, as would something similar for file downloads. I think it’s on stef’s wishlist but probably not so trivial to do…

GugUser · 2015-07-17 22:31:20

I hope, despite of all the current needs for toolbars, that Textile will remain part of Textpattern.

hcgtv · 2015-07-17 22:34:32

jakob wrote #293431:

One concern with Redaktor, or another editor for that matter, is how to handle embedded txp:code, e.g. like smd_macro bits or bits of txp:php, an embedded linklist or what have you… It would be a step back to cripple the body field to only the tags allowed by the wysiwyg editor.

Good question, I’m in the middle of clearing the wiki of all foreign language pages, before I suck everything out of it, but I’m going to try Summernote in the backend later this evening and I’ll let you know how it goes.

ruud · 2015-07-17 22:41:19

hcgtv wrote #293429:

I contacted Redactor, here is the exchange, it starts at the bottom and goes up.

I think it depends on how closely Redactor would interact with Textpattern, because GPL may not mix well with the Redactor license.

How about http://ckeditor.com/ or http://www.alohaeditor.org ?

Bloke · 2015-07-17 22:42:33

GugUser wrote #293438:

I hope… that Textile will remain part of Textpattern.

Anyone who wants to take Textile out of Textpattern has to fight me first. I don’t mind extending the core like we have in 4.6 to allow for Markdown, BBCode or any other custom markup schemes to be used. More choice is better. But, to date, I dislike toolbars of all denominations and have never found one I liked enough to switch from the control of being able to mark content up exactly how I want (95% of the time) without going near a pointing device. Keyboard ftw; mouse slows me down.

Maybe I’ve not looked hard enough or paid enough… ckeditor was closest to something I could stand behind in my limited testing. But since I’m faaaar from the demographic of a typical end user of such a toolbar, I’ll go with whatever anyone tells me to code and is good for the user base.

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hcgtv · 2015-07-17 22:46:14

GugUser wrote #293438:

I hope, despite of all the current needs for toolbars, that Textile will remain part of Textpattern.

The toolbar is a helper for Textile, see CodeMirror, it supports markdown, so we can add Textile to it with no problem using the markdown.js file as a guide.

michaelkpate · 2015-07-18 02:21:14

Bloke wrote #293441:

Anyone who wants to take Textile out of Textpattern has to fight me first. I don’t mind extending the core like we have in 4.6 to allow for Markdown, BBCode or any other custom markup schemes to be used. More choice is better.

I made the decision a decade ago to never learn Markdown and stick with Textile. And I still don’t regret it.

philwareham · 2015-07-18 06:47:36

As far as I understand Redactor is a bunch of shortcuts for whatever markup you are using – it doesn’t replace Textile nor would I want it too. For example, you press the ‘bold’ button when some text is selected and it puts the asterisks around it. It’s a helper not a replacement – this is a good thing. We could even allow users to turn the toolbar off if they prefer.

Markitup which I brought up years ago here also does the same thing.

It also means we could lose the Textile help section from the Write page.

jstubbs · 2015-07-18 07:48:23

Tangentially – the sister app from Imperavi, their Kube framework looks quite nice. Hadn’t seen that before.

etc · 2015-07-18 08:17:44

philwareham wrote #293453:

We could even allow users to turn the toolbar off if they prefer.

Yes, please.

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