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#31 2013-10-06 19:09:45

Gocom
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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

candyman wrote:

esoTalk

Looks shiny, but it currently doesn’t have stable releases, and those gammas are tagged far and between. We aren’t really looking into changing the platform we are using, and if we were, one requirement would be a stable release.

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#32 2013-10-06 19:10:20

philwareham
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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

@candyman

We are not changing software, just updating and improving what we already have (and doing a new theme).

EDIT: ok Jukka already posted, I should read the whole thread next time!

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#33 2013-10-07 05:55:00

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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

Are we keeping the topic search?


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#34 2013-10-07 08:18:36

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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

colak wrote:

Are we keeping the topic search?

In topic search is a modification (a hack), so it’s not going to stay. What FluxBB doesn’t offer, and we can’t implement without modifications, doesn’t exists (only exception to this rule being Textile). The only search field visible on pages is the one that takes you to Google’s custom site search. We are currently experimenting with automatically prepending the topic title to search field, which will give you more relevant results.

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#35 2013-10-07 10:49:10

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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

Gocom wrote:

In topic search is a modification (a hack), so it’s not going to stay. What FluxBB doesn’t offer, and we can’t implement without modifications, doesn’t exists (only exception to this rule being Textile). The only search field visible on pages is the one that takes you to Google’s custom site search. We are currently experimenting with automatically prepending the topic title to search field, which will give you more relevant results.

Hi Jukka, I hope that this method will work. With some topics exceeding 200 pages it will be impossible to use the search function productively and effectively if the particular functionality is removed.


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#36 2013-10-07 11:02:19

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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

colak wrote:

With some topics exceeding 200 pages…

It could be argued that if a topic has over 200 pages then maybe a new thread should be started, regardless of whether an in-topic search is implemented.

An example being the ‘MLP – The Multi-Lingual Publishing Pack’ thread which is almost impossible to follow even with topic search.

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#37 2013-10-07 11:09:00

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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

The MLP topic is indeed one of those. Maybe txp has to start investigating multi language site options as part of the core. The length of that topic is enough proof that there is a genuine interest by many txp users.


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#38 2013-10-07 11:10:54

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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

@colak

Please start another topic for that ;)

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#39 2013-10-07 12:49:27

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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

:) consider it a bracketed off topic remark…


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#40 2013-10-07 13:50:47

Gocom
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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

colak wrote:

Hi Jukka, I hope that this method will work. With some topics exceeding 200 pages it will be impossible to use the search function productively and effectively if the particular functionality is removed.

If it doesn’t, it’s bad, but you will have to live with it. Security, and being able to update the forum, is way more important than a feature. The forum version we are currently running isn’t exactly safe. I’m more of so wondering when someone is going to fall a victim of CSRF link, whether we are going to get hacked and if we can get the update done before that happens.

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#41 2013-10-07 21:24:17

els
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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

Gocom wrote:

If it doesn’t, it’s bad, but you will have to live with it.

I understand, and agree. Still, a better search for topics as large as the MLP thread would be nice. A workaround could be to create a subforum for it, because you can search in subforums.

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#42 2013-10-08 09:06:34

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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

Sub forums are a plugin, we’ll need to install this I think.

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#43 2013-10-08 10:01:41

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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

philwareham wrote:

Sub forums are a plugin, we’ll need to install this I think.

Modification, a hack. There are no actual plugins in FluxBB. Going by the no-hacks rule, there are no sub-forums in our new forums either. That particular mod would require about 30 line changes in 4 different files.

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#44 2013-10-08 10:09:16

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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

Yuck. OK no subforums. We’ll have to tidy what we’ve got and maybe consolidate a few. Probably a good idea anyway as some of the current subforums are a bit of a dead place (plus some sticky topics need rewriting or discarding altogether).

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#45 2013-10-08 10:34:00

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Re: Eventual forum upgrade plan

That mod’s sub forums are not technically more than normal forums (categories), which links are presented under an other one. The mod hasn’t seem to alter post count indexes either, so that we don’t have to fix those in the database. The forum will keep working even without the mod.

If anything, the forums work better without our mods, especially the ones that affect our index pages; we can finally see the forums’ last poster and activity right on the index page, and you can finally find new posts you’ve missed (the last visit thing has time limit after all). I never was very fond of that inactivity masking tactic, not that its terribly cool that the index page will have ‘2006’ and ‘never’ on it from now on.

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