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#1 2013-05-27 07:47:03

Destry
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[contrib] While you were sleeping

A couple of things, both inspired by what the Ghost project is going for…

First,

https://twitter.com/designsessions/status/338324467338072064

Second, and following conversation about similar double-paned editing in other tools, including Ghost, here is a double-paned editing concept for Textpattern that I quickly put together. Perhaps something like this could be feasible without the £150K Kickstarter investment.

A complete breakdown of the editing concept is provided in the G+ community since I’m more likely to see replies there.

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#2 2013-05-28 20:15:00

mistersugar
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Re: [contrib] While you were sleeping

I pledged to Ghost kickstarter, but I will stay with Textpattern. Would love to see some of these options.

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#3 2013-05-30 13:49:14

candyman
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Re: [contrib] While you were sleeping

Wow, I’ve missed Ghost: very interesting!
I agree (obviuosly ;) with mistersugar and Destry’s efforts seem to lead on the right way.
I’m just wondering if the Ghost innovative ideas will be plundered by market giants.
I would not want that the name was an omen…

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#4 2013-05-30 14:04:29

philwareham
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Re: [contrib] While you were sleeping

Ghost is open source (MIT licence), and as such the code can be reused in other projects (with acknowledgements).

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#5 2013-05-30 15:17:11

mrdale
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Re: [contrib] While you were sleeping

Yay for bloggers!

  1. Ghost is “just a blogging platform” (and it looks slick)
  2. Textpattern is not
  3. A double pane on the write page is a wilful waste of space.

Can someone please explain the hubbub?

Last edited by mrdale (2013-05-30 15:23:11)

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#6 2013-05-30 17:12:28

candyman
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Re: [contrib] While you were sleeping

Little OT:

The drag&paste of the image from the desktop to the write page is very interesting.
The only TXP weakness, according to me, is the lack of a simple/fast way to insert&align images.

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#7 2013-05-30 17:48:14

mrdale
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Re: [contrib] While you were sleeping

further OT… wish granted… abl_droploader

Last edited by mrdale (2013-05-30 17:48:33)

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#8 2013-05-31 13:05:28

candyman
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Re: [contrib] While you were sleeping

Many thanks, now I have to upgrade my site (Still at 4.3…) :)

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#9 2013-05-31 13:13:56

philwareham
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Re: [contrib] While you were sleeping

mrdale wrote:

Can someone please explain the hubbub?

I feel the hubbub is generally from WordPress users who are getting tired of the bloat being constantly introduced and just want a clean, well designed blog platform. Automattic have already stated they want WordPress to be ‘the platform for the web’ in the same way Drupal has evolved – but plenty of users want something less complicated, not more so.

Ghost was going to be a paired-back fork of WordPress – which gained it its initial surge of interest – but the authors realised that was not feasible, so they’ve written it from the ground up themselves.

It sure looks pretty too. People like pretty. I like pretty.

Edit: I’ve tried the layout of a multi-pane write page setup (write and preview side-by-side) in Textpattern now and I hated it. I don’t think it’s a very good concept in real-world use.

Last edited by philwareham (2013-05-31 13:18:42)

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#10 2013-05-31 14:05:23

mistersugar
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Re: [contrib] While you were sleeping

Medium is the other hot new blogging entry. It’s got a one-page write page, and lots of writers are expressing how that helps them draft better posts. I’ve done a couple of posts on Medium (here) and it certainly is a nice editing/publishing presentation. But I’ve been using Textpattern for nearly 10 years to blog, so can’t really see myself switching. And as Phil says, people like pretty. But also simple. And blogging is getting back to simple presentation.

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#11 2013-05-31 14:52:11

mrdale
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Re: [contrib] While you were sleeping

philwareham wrote:

I’ve tried the layout of a multi-pane write page setup (write and preview side-by-side) in Textpattern now and I hated it. I don’t think it’s a very good concept in real-world use.

Yep that was my gut reaction, but more than that, I just don’t understand what a split pain is trying to achieve.

I do think that a really good implementation of front side edit-in-place would be amazing. As it stands I give customers front side edit links, and that has sold more sites than any other single feature… (if you can see the content you can edit it).

Edit-in-place would be even better.

Last edited by mrdale (2013-05-31 14:54:51)

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#12 2013-05-31 15:18:17

philwareham
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Re: [contrib] While you were sleeping

@mrdale

Whilst it sounds wonderful in theory, to implement edit in place we would have to pollute front-side themes with a lot of code to do that. Hooks, JavaScript, injected divs and suchlike.

Just look at the horrendous code generated by Drupal to achieve that feature (I’ve been involved in a couple of large Drupal builds) – I don’t think I’d want that in my Textpattern site builds.

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