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Re: mem plugins with 4.5.x
Postmark is a great one too, and they have a wonderful API. What I like most about the service is that for once you know that developers behind the service know what they are doing and care about the service, instead of just shipping pretty paint. That, or they are very good at acting.
I for one would recommend implementing any type of newsletter solution as a 3rd-party service integration rather than a standalone mailer, or maybe, even better, as a plugin that is further extendable with plugins, allowing you to change the sending method as needed. The main plugin would provide the interface and means for handling lists, and maybe some type of default delivery mechanism. On top of that, it would have tons of callback events for further extending.
While I could use plugin that integrates with a third-party, I wouldn’t have any type of need for standalone mailer. Where would I send those newsletters from? My array of my own SMTP servers — oh wait, I don’t have that.
You that are planning on sending emails through your hosting provider’s own servers you have gotten access with your VPS or what ever, keep in mind those are either regulated (rate limited, filtered), or blacklisted. All SMTP servers I use allow, give or take, 2000 monthly emails per account at tops. Some less.
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Re: mem plugins with 4.5.x
Gocom wrote:
a plugin that is further extendable with plugins
That’s exactly the approach I’d take if I was ever in the market for needing one of these things. As it stands I’m not and therefore not motivated to write one.
Yet.
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Re: mem plugins with 4.5.x
Further to what Jukka said, the mail delivery services (such as MailChimp, StreamSend and Postmark) have also done all the hard work of whitelisting against spam lists and using Sender Policy Framework and whatnot. I think a plugin to these services is much more beneficial than trying to bulk email directly from your own server, so I’d personally prefer to see any plugin efforts directed at that instead of updating mem_postmaster.
In olden days, one of my client sites did use it’s own email transmission system, then the whole server got blacklisted by Hotmail. It was a massive amount of work to get the server trusted again – it’s not worth the pain, really.
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Re: mem plugins with 4.5.x
jstubbs wrote:
Using Mailjet now and love it.
Good if that is true, but I do hope their service isn’t the same quality as their public PHP API class(es). It raises some questions. The code isn’t very good, or clean.
I truly hope the service doesn’t run from same type of code base. Having a bad public API class doesn’t necessarily mean that, but it is something, and that something isn’t good. Could be the API and classes are outsourced, explaining downgraded quality, but that neither would be a good sign.
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Re: mem plugins with 4.5.x
I don’t know about the PHP API, just the service itself which I’ve found to be very good. Am using it for a company which now sends all promotion emails via Mailjet. Works well so far as we can check on the delivery status of the emails and get stats and analytics in real time.
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Re: mem plugins with 4.5.x
So anyone up for taking the best ideas from postmaster integration and creating an article (and/or txp-form based) mailer that ties into other services APIs? anyone?
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Re: mem plugins with 4.5.x
mrdale wrote:
So anyone up for taking the best ideas from postmaster integration and creating an article (and/or txp-form based) mailer that ties into other services APIs? anyone?
if anybody wishes to take on this challenge, its well enough – but I also think that we should still try to solve the problem of existing subscriber dbs and the legality of moving them on to a public service. I think the postmaster plugin should be offered as an alternative with an additional plugin to that so as to integrate it with external services.
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Re: mem plugins with 4.5.x
colak wrote:
existing subscriber dbs and the legality of moving them on to a public service.
Is it a public service? You are still the owner of that data and its not being shared by the service with any other parties. As long as you are not collecting passwords or credit cards in the database I can’t see how that is a legal problem?
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#40 2013-03-05 21:05:52
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Re: mem plugins with 4.5.x
3rd party mass-mailers offer free services and attach some logo or ‘send by’ thingy button or whatever. Only paid services sometimes overcome that. We think that looks unprofessional. 3rd party mass-mailers offer nice templates so applying original design in style with the website is a real challenge. Even if that works out at all. 3rd party mass-mailers offer mail-list-security and promise privacy of your subscribers addresses but never at a 100% guaranty. Our subscribers trusted us their address and telling them we hand it over to 3rd party mass-mailer and let him do the job scares off some of our subscribers for sure.
And so I can go on with more arguments to keep sending our newsletter in our own hands, ‘indahouse’ so to say. Maybe I’m talking old fashioned and not of this time of age but as colak said earlier we would like to have a choice.
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Re: mem plugins with 4.5.x
dF wrote:
we would like to have a choice.
Yes, all very valid reasons to keep it local, and that’s what Jukka was suggesting: a plugin that allows you to keep the publishing workflow in-house and mail out from your own server. Textpattern is a publishing platform after all and creating good looking mailings is a great use of this. But if said plugin had suitable hooks included, it would allow other plugins to offer 3rd party mailout integration for those folk that want it (or if your hoster demands it!)
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#42 2013-05-24 15:15:32
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Re: mem plugins with 4.5.x
Just wondering, might there be any progress or development in this postmaster newsletter plugin so we can mass mail our 2nd newsletter this year?
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