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#13 2010-09-18 19:25:22

Gocom
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From: Helsinki, Finland
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Re: Site design images

Els wrote:

I see no problem in having to FTP them

Same. I see no ‘being helpful’ aspect in this. It just adds another pane. As a plugin this might be cool.

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#14 2010-09-18 22:31:26

jstubbs
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Re: Site design images

Site design images should not be placed in the Images tab, as a rule I always place them in a /site folder within the images folder on the server. Adding an extra tab that would/should be restricted from novice users only adds an extra layer of complexity IMO.

Essentially, if a user is sophisticated enough to know the difference it doesn’t matter where the site images are placed. Otherwise, its good practice to place the site images outside of reach.

I would not advocate adding any images at all to a default TXP install. What happens after install would then depend on the level of the user.

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#15 2010-09-19 10:15:39

philwareham
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From: Haslemere, Surrey, UK
Registered: 2009-06-11
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Re: Site design images

The more I think about this the more I think just simply FTPing any theme images is the best solution. But if there was the option to group images within folders in the images tab people could then use whatever workflow they felt most comfortable with. I know this has been discussed before – are there any plans on implementing it for, say, TXP5?

PS. Doesn’t the default install actually put a couple of images in the images table? Been a while since I did a new install, but it used to have a separator rule and a textpattern logo in the images folder – both of which probably don’t need to be there as they are not crucial to the design. Apologies if this has been changed in newer versions.

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#16 2010-09-19 10:45:44

jstubbs
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Re: Site design images

Phil, the separator image and TXP logo (the old one) are still in the latest SVN as they form part of the default template.

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#17 2010-09-19 11:28:28

philwareham
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Re: Site design images

Ah, OK.

With a bit of amending to the default template CSS (and due to the fact that the TXP carver logo is already stored in the admin images directory) those two images could be removed from future updates with no real impact to the overall design.

Off topic – I’d like to see a fresher look to the default theme in the future anyway (and Remora to be the default admin theme too for that matter), as I’m sure that puts a few people off when they first install textpattern. First impressions and all that.

I’d be happy to take a look at the default theme when I get some spare time next month.

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#18 2010-09-19 12:18:26

redbot
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Registered: 2006-02-14
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Re: Site design images

thebombsite wrote:

Redbot – Well that’s what I do now but essentially it is bypassing Txp which is meant to be my site’s management system but it isn’t managing ALL of my site, at least not all of the presentation side of my site.

I get your point but I have a different opinion on CMSes. I think they should be meant for content management and not presentation management.

As for complexity, what complexity? It’s an extra tab in “Presentation”. As for the extra tab itself, it does not need any of the complexity of the current “Images” tab, for example it would not require categories, captions, dates(probably), tags(probably), author(probably) or thumbnails. Very simple.

Have you considered that txp replaces image names with numbers? I don’t think it will help so much if you get a css like this:

body{background:23.gif;}

instead of

body{background:bg_image.gif;}

…unless you add another function which manages image uploads only for the “site images” tab and keeps image names.

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