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#91 2010-06-15 22:04:17
- els
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Re: New forum software
That’s interesting, Christian.
Latest official opinion so far (quoting Robert):
My own (and thus the most “official” available) stance follows:
- Textile will stay. Personally, I’m using Textile in Textpattern, this forum, my Drupal sites, Redmine, Basecamp, and basically everywhere else where it is available without causing havoc. WYSAWYG editors aren’t even offered on the WordPress fora (they have quickbuttons), so there must be huge crowds of noobs who can post without them.Those who cannot manage to learn Textile are not our primary target audience, and I don’t think that requiring Textile for the forum is a bullet point against choosing Textpattern CMS for prospects in the first place, for asking a question and starting a thread does not require any markup.
- PunBB’s flaws as they are valid for this forum have been defined:
- search (global and intra-thread)
- moderation
- markup flexibility, themability
- “Cool URIs don’t change” is a conditio sine qua non. 301 redirects are acceptable.
- Until noone steps up to actually do the work, this discussion has already rendered all necessary results.
You seem to address at least one of his points ;) Can you tell me if setting up a test install – local or on a test domain – and manually entering let’s say some 50-ish posts would provide a good impression of how suitable it would be for a big forum like this? Doubts about this are one reason I haven’t tested any other forum software yet (another reason is lack of time…).
maniqui wrote:
those who have the powers to allow the migration (not sure who exactly those are)
That would still be Robert :)
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Re: New forum software
May I add that the forum/sub-fprum structure should also remain
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#93 2010-06-16 07:23:16
- els
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Re: New forum software
Yiannis, of course. I think a requirement should be that we don’t loose any of the functionality we have now, and the functionality we would gain must be of a nature that justifies the trouble of moving.
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Re: New forum software
I don’t know which PunBB version you are running here, but FluxBB is “binary compatible” to PunBB, thus we can apply all modifications made to this Forum to a new FluxBB 1.4 forum.
This means you can keep the URLs, sub-forums, Textile and whatever mods you applied to the PunBB code.
In terms of the search functionality we would need to investigate why MySQL Fulltext Search doesn’t deliver usable results.
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#95 2010-06-16 14:23:05
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Re: New forum software
Very nice (even if fluxBB isn’t stable yet) but after seeing vanilla2 all forums software seems old fashioned to me…
Last edited by candyman (2010-06-16 14:23:15)
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Re: New forum software
chriloi wrote:
If you choose to update to FluxBB 1.4, I would be able to help you with migrating and tweaking the Textpattern forums.
Ok, so let’s get the party started. What information would you need to sketch a smooth migration plan?
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Re: New forum software
Best would be to get access to your setup or at least a copy of your source code and a database backup.
Then I would hopefully be able to extract your modifications by a simple compare to the original source and could apply them to FluxBB. If not, you need to define a list of mods you already have applied or wish to apply to your forums.
Textile shouldn’t be a big deal, if I had access to your source code.
Subforums neither.
URLs don’t need to be adjusted, since FluxBB uses the same URL-structure as your setup.
After testing the new setup on either a virtual host of textpattern or on one of my servers, we would have to make a decision on how to smoothly replace the old forums with the new ones.
Currently I’m not so busy, that means if we are able to make an agreement on Wednesday, I would be able to spend the whole Thursday on setting up a test install with your mods and data.
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#99 2010-06-21 11:20:19
- candyman
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Re: New forum software
I remember a very old thread I’ve discussed in: I think it could be interesting for Christian.
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#100 2010-09-30 13:36:22
Re: New forum software
wet wrote:
Ok, so let’s get the party started. What information would you need to sketch a smooth migration plan?
Interesting, is this still in the plans?
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#101 2010-09-30 17:41:52
Re: New forum software
No. In the end, chriloi hasn’t had the spare time.
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#102 2010-09-30 18:08:23
Re: New forum software
I’m sorry that I wasn’t able to stick to my proposal.
I have started working on that, but first there were more unfinished modifications included than I thought (that might have changed now) and second I got a job which filled the gap I thought I could spend for migration.
Probably I have some time by the end of October to get this working.
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#103 2010-09-30 18:18:28
Re: New forum software
wet wrote:
No. In the end, chriloi hasn’t had the spare time.
Well, moving to FluxBB is better than staying with PunBB.
I’ve been working with FluxBB 1.4.2 on my local server, and I like what they’ve done. Aside from whatever mods you’ve made, the txpish style would need to be updated also, since there has been changes to the forum’s structure.
If you want to get the ball rolling, zip up the forum and send it to me, I’ll have a look at how much work is involved.
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#104 2010-09-30 21:15:13
Re: New forum software
@hcgtv:
The current txp forum source is a mixture of PunBB 1.2.16 – 1.2.18 plus a lot of community modifications as well as own modifications.
I have compared the current txp forum source with the original source and was able to separate most of the modifications.
Just to get a quick overview:
Community mods:
- Subforum
- Reply to
- Textile
- Fulltext search (which isn’t working properly)
- Category Collapse
- RSS (is included in FluxBB by default now)
Txp mods in:
admin_reports.php << MINOR
admin_users.php << MINOR
delete.php << MINOR
edit.php << Textile Mod
extern.php << MINOR
footer.php << MAJOR
header.php << MAJOR
include/common.php << PUN_NEW_MEMBER?
include/functions.php << navlinks, profile_menu, get_rank, get_title, paginate
login.php << MINOR
misc.php << MINOR
profile.php << known_langs (extra field), last_visit (show)
userlist.php << MINOR
viewtopic.php << known_lang, admin_note, Textile Mod
PUN_NEW_MEMBER is a user_status, which doesn’t exist by default, but has to be implemented by the new software, because it restricts new users from viewing sensible information before they make some posts.
Then there are several plugins installed:
+plugins/AMP_Global_topic.php
+plugins/AP_Author_Update.php
+plugins/AP_Clear_Cache.php
+plugins/AP_DB_Management.php
+plugins/AP_Forum_cleanup.php
+plugins/AP_Forum_stats.php
+plugins/AP_Languages_and_styles.php
+plugins/AP_User_management.php
None of them were tested with 1.4, but as far as I know, they are working with 1.4. (Already contacted the authors and asked them to update / test their plugins, but got no reply)
Beside of that, data migration was no problem at all, all you need to do is switching off the search index migration, this is done in db_update.php, row 1298:
$query_str = ‘?stage=finish’; //CNO: directly jump to finish
When running db_update.php you need to switch off the character conversion option and set charset to UTF-8.
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#105 2010-09-30 22:22:10
Re: New forum software
chriloi wrote:
The current txp forum source is a mixture of PunBB 1.2.16 – 1.2.18 plus a lot of community modifications as well as own modifications.
A mixture because with all the mods installed, it’s not an easy forum to keep updated from revision to revision.
Thanks for the update Christian.
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