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Re: Evolving Textpattern System Requirements - An Informal Poll
I think Masa’s arguments have a point. CMS targeted to php 5 seem to have lower adoption than more “liberal” ones. The stricter you are, the fewer the people that can use it, because only some experts would understand or afford your stricter or higher standard. The security is not a problem for many casual webmaster and/or clients: they simply use what the hosting company set up for them by default and don’t argue anymore.
But I understand the developers’ point of view: I feel that giving a window of time for upgrading server environment could be a good balance. 4.2 should eventually stick with php4, and next release (5.0?) should move to php 5 and mysql 4 (or 5: I don’t know that much about mysql).
But that’s the point of view of a casual webmaster/designer, not a developer. :)
Last edited by Zanza (2009-07-23 00:18:53)
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Re: Evolving Textpattern System Requirements - An Informal Poll
masa wrote:
What I’m wondering is whether Txp can afford it. I really doubt this will increase its adoption rate.
One of the effects of the proposed change will be to improve the productivity of the developers and enable the development of key new capabilities. That will lead to better and more frequent releases. If we are empowered to make Textpattern the most secure and most capable web publishing tool available, I have a hunch adoption will take care of itself.
On the other hand, we could allow Textpattern to slowly stagnate, hindered by dependencies on outdated and unsupported software. I wonder what that would mean for future adoption…
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Re: Evolving Textpattern System Requirements - An Informal Poll
I’m with Zanza and a couple of others. Make maybe 4.2.0 the last release to allow the use of PHP4 etc. but continue with security fixes for a limited period, then continue to make the last 4.* release available for download for those unfortunates who still need it, pointing out that they will not have the richest and most secure TXP experience available unless they have PHP5 / MySQL5 and can use the latest TXP release.
Then move TXP releases up to version 5.* where PHP5 and MySQL5 are defined requirements.
Any plug-ins that require PHP5 should make that very plain in the first post of their support threads.
Last edited by thebombsite (2009-08-15 17:55:27)
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#52 2009-07-23 13:06:57
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Re: Evolving Textpattern System Requirements - An Informal Poll
thebombsite wrote:
I’m with Zanza and a couple of others…
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Here’s how Drupal is doing it. Note that this announcement was made two years ago and Drupal 7 is still in development. So Drupal users were given quite a bit of advance warning.
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Mary:
Folks on older servers can use the last version of Txp that works for their setup. They are already exposed to security issues and lots of bugs with their use of software that is no longer being patched, and should get used to the fact that older software doesn’t have the bells and whistles that new stuff does.
artagesw wrote:
One of the effects of the proposed change will be to improve the productivity of the developers and enable the development of key new capabilities. That will lead to better and more frequent releases. If we are empowered to make Textpattern the most secure and most capable web publishing tool available, I have a hunch adoption will take care of itself.
+1
This two messages sum up the way to go, imho.
You can’t eat your cake and have it too.
Textpattern 5.0 FTW!
edit: of course, as a new branch after a release of TXP 4.2.0, (PHP4/MySQL4 compatible).
Last edited by maniqui (2009-07-23 20:41:01)
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wet wrote:
Minimum system requirements of popular LAMP CMSs and blog scripts for shared hosting:
| What | PHP | MySQL |
|---|---|---|
| WordPress 2.8+ | 4.3+ (5.2+ buys you DST support) | 4.0+ |
| Drupal 6 | 4.3.5 (5.2 recommended) | 4.1 |
| Joomla! | 4.3.10 (5.2+ recommended) | 3.23 (4.1.x recommended) |
| MODxCMS | 4.3.11 | 4.1.20 |
| CMS Made Simple | 4.3+ | 3.23 |
| EE | 4.1 | 3.23 |
I assume that hosting providers align their product offerings with the requirements of the major applications.
masa wrote:
Why should Txp raise the bar higher than any of the other CMSs?
Zanza wrote:
I think Masa’s arguments have a point. CMS targeted to php 5 seem to have lower adoption than more “liberal” ones. The stricter you are, the fewer the people that can use it
artagesw wrote:
Here’s how Drupal is doing it. Note that this announcement was made two years ago and Drupal 7 is still in development. So Drupal users were given quite a bit of advance warning.
fwiw – from TYPO3 Recap / Kasper Skårhøj at Godbit
For those of you not familiar with TYPO3, it is an enterprise level content management system written in PHP. As of the latest release, it runs solely on PHP5, a gutsy move for an open source project.
Last edited by maverick (2009-08-10 14:04:30)
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Re: Evolving Textpattern System Requirements - An Informal Poll
I’m all in favor of this. Whatever makes the TXP developers’ and plugin writers’ tasks easier, while still allowing Textpattern to be run on the majority of web hosts, gets my vote.
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I favor supporting PHP5 and above. All my sites will have no issues migrating. But yea I feel there should be say a warning for about 4 months or so and then completely stop supporting PHP4. If upgrading to PHP5 gives much better features and plugins then I feel it should be adopted and more potential users can come in.
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#58 2009-11-06 18:48:00
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Re: Evolving Textpattern System Requirements - An Informal Poll
Has any decision been made on this as yet?
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Mary wrote:
Has any decision been made on this as yet?
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#60 2009-11-09 21:02:28
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Thanks. I thought I saw it somewhere, but couldn’t remember where or if perhaps I’d dreamt it. :D
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