TxP.com home page

kvnmcwebn · 2008-09-20 18:17:27

one features page for each user target, thats as good a way as any to organize it.
Also: For a great overview of txp read page 124 of solutions.
-best
kevin

zero · 2008-09-20 18:19:08

Jonathan, when I first used breeze I wondered how well known it was internationally, so perhaps there’s something better for that (particulary as it will be part of the first content that is read).

Kevin, Bloke – for the record I don’t agree about a separate features page for each audience. The audiences are not so separate as that and the division is a bit artificial. That’s why I think it’s ok on the front page to give a focus, but to have to look at 3 separate features pages in order see all the features is not user friendly. The original feature list page (with appropriate updating) targets all users at once.

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jstubbs · 2008-09-20 18:52:22

Peter, I removed “breeze” and replaced it with “simple and easy”. It is, so that should be fine for now.

For the record, I agree with Peter that only one Features page is required. How the features are presented on the front page is another matter altogether – it makes sense to directly address users who identify themselves as a publisher, developer or designer.

kvnmcwebn · 2008-09-20 19:48:07

*zero wrote: about a separate features page for each audience. The audiences are not so separate as that and the division is a bit artificial. That’s why I think it’s ok on the front page to give a focus, but to have to look at 3 separate features pages in order see all the features is not user friendly. The original feature list page (with appropriate updating) targets all users at once.*

to be honest that was my initial reaction as well, but then i thought if there was going to be a really long page of features than i would rather be able to find what i was looking for right away. But now that i think about it there would probably be a lot of overlap. right one page is enough.

maniqui · 2008-09-20 21:05:11

I would think it the other way: audiences are “naturally” separated: publishers != designers != developers. Sometimes those roles are all (or two of them) played by the same person. The “artificial” thing is to separate TxP features and list them under different audiences. Of course, there are some features that are more appealing for a particular audience, and that’s what we have to emphasize on homepage.
Then, there are a common set of features that are of common interest for all audiences.

So, regarding how to reflect/organize this on inner pages, I would suggest some ideas thay may be positive from a SEO POV.

first, to have a section named /features/, and its content could be:
- a little intro paragraph (a sticky article) with:
- a short list of interesting features aimed to any audience
- then, below, three subheadings+excerpts, doing the same separation than in homepage:
  - For web publishers, followed by a short paragraph and list of features of interest for web publishers
  - For web designers, idem
  - For web developers, idem

Those three subheadings+excerpt could be managed using 3 different TXP articles, which will allow us to:

have three permlinks (individual articles) like this (please, think about better, richer URL-only-titles):
- /features/a-cms-for-web-designers (or better: /features/a-flexible-content-management-system-for-web-designers)
- /features/a-cms-for-web-publishers (or better: /features/a-easy-to-use-content-management-system-for-web-publishers)
- /features/a-cms-for-web-developers (or better: /features/an-extensible-content-management-system-for-web-developers)
this will allow us to create better content (an attractive excerpt, then a better body) and to aim better to each audience on a individual-article/permanent-link context without cluttering the /features/ section nor the homepage.
the usability/marketing/SEO benefits are immediate.
the SEO benefits will come from many factors:
- better/easier achievement of common SEO task, like having a good/great meta description for each audience (on its particular permalink, see above), so on a SERP, Textpattern will stand out better.
- better/deeper crawling of better/richer crafted content
- keyword rich / attractive / human-readable URLs that stand out even on SERPs.

@All: I’m pretty confident about this: we could easily (well, not easily, it’s a lot of effort, but it isn’t voodoo) dominate/influence organic SERP for relevant searches. We have Textpattern, the CMS that makes it easy to create better content, and makes it easy to do the SEO tasks (rah_metas and rah/jmd_sitemap are our friends here), so we let’s take advantage of this momentum we have gained and start building the f***ing d*mn thing right now.
I’m for the opinion that we don’t need to have the visual aspect defined to start working on some technical tasks as: install a new Textpattern on dev.textpattern.com, install the needed plugins, load the content, creating some basic mark-up, etc.

That’s one of the beautiful things of this create-a-website game using HTML+CSS+TXP: to separate the content from the presentation.

(sorry for my english)

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redbot · 2008-09-21 03:01:52

Ehm, I know I’m too late but I would divide “present” in:

“organize” (unlimited sections and categories)
“style (or something similar)” (txp outputs standard-compliant tableless code etc etc …you decide how your site will look).
Of course this should be written better. I just wanted to say IMHO sections and categories are different from visual presentation (even if in in txp – wrongly – they’re under the same tab called “presentation”).
Obviously this is only my opinion.

jstubbs · 2008-09-21 08:15:27

I edited the promo space a little to add redbot’s suggestion, and also edited the other bullet points.

Bloke · 2008-09-21 08:31:39

jstubbs/redbot

Nice, reads well. Good job all.

maniqui

Cunning. I like the cut of your jib, as Mr Burns might say. Having three articles + a sticky on an article list ‘features’ page is a great idea for all the reasons you state and more. Four times the SEO and cuts down on scrolling through swathes of features without inconveniencing users too much.

It delivers a focused, targetted message but with enough “while you’re here it can also do this” on the same page to dangle the delicious carrot of enticement. And of course the individual features pages would also have “related articles” links (i.e. the excerpts) to the other features pages which means you don’t lose visibility of the features for all three of the arbitrary “roles” we have targeted.

I agree we have enough to start building the content, so let’s build.

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zero · 2008-09-21 11:35:56

I’ve been working on the features. What you see on the Home page is a sentence with features common to all audiences at the top (nicely written by Jonathan) followed by the complete list of features for each of the 3 audiences. Note that the list is not all that long.

What you see on the Features page are the same features but worded differently so there is now no duplicate content. I’ve also rearranged them to suit what I think visitors will look for in a feature list – something relevant to them. Publishers, designers and developers are catered for but using different headings. Note that if the page is two columns all these features would be seen without scrolling, so it’s not like there’s lots to wade through. The headings should direct the eye too. (I’m open to different headings suggestions of course).

If anyone wants to split up the features page, please copy it here first and then rejig it, leaving what I’ve just done alone for the time being.

redbot · 2008-09-21 14:30:56

jstubbs wrote:

I edited the promo space a little to add redbot’s suggestion, and also edited the other bullet points.

Thank you, I like it.
BTW Another thing… I don’t want to be a pain and I’m not totally sure but I think maybe this sentence:

Textpattern makes it simple to create and edit your templates and CSS – you decide how your site will look

Could be replaced with something along the line of:

Textpattern lets you gain total control over your templates and CSS – you decide how your site will look

IMHO it is useful to make clear that you are not forced to use tables for presentational purposes.
I know it seems a little out of time in 2008 but this was one of the main reasons I started to use txp some years ago (at the time I used Mambo which was heavily table-based and very complex to mod) …and if I’m not wrong Joomla did still output some hardcoded tables untill some months ago.
Once again, this is only an opinion and I’m not sure it makes sense.

ruud · 2008-09-21 14:39:03

Then I’d change this:

Textpattern lets you gain total control over your templates and CSS – you decide how your site will look

into:

Textpattern gives you total control over your templates and CSS – you decide how your site will look

redbot · 2008-09-21 14:50:10

ruud wrote:

Then I’d change this:

Textpattern lets you gain total control over your templates and CSS – you decide how your site will look

into:

Textpattern gives you total control over your templates and CSS – you decide how your site will look

Yes I agree, my english sucks ;)

jstubbs · 2008-09-21 19:58:20

ruud wrote:

Then I’d change this:

Textpattern lets you gain total control over your templates and CSS – you decide how your site will look

into:

Textpattern gives you total control over your templates and CSS – you decide how your site will look

Your wish is my command – thanks Ruud and redbot. Edited and saved.

jstubbs · 2008-09-21 20:10:45

Peter – re the feature list – it looks good but I would suggest some slight editing for consistency of copy and perhaps a couple of additions in plugins, since this is a major feature and there are only 3 points.

I can’t edit this today though (assuming you don’t mind), maybe tomorrow – Monday night.

As an aside, what are the major features of TXP? We all have our own favourite feature and personal dislike (I don’t like how difficult it is to get comments working just right). What should we be yelling about most loudly?

zero · 2008-09-21 20:46:20

I’ve no objections to you editing the feature list, Jonathan. Please try not to duplicate anything written under the Reasons to love Textpattern.

Major Features? Mine would be stability, flexibility and that there’s always a solution to a problem.

Re the promo space – there are now 7 items. I liked it more with 5 because it was more direct and readable, meaning I am much less inclined to read 7 items but am happy to read 5. Sorry, Redbot, but although your suggestions are good, I think they spoilt it a bit. But I don’t have a better way yet. Perhaps it’s just me though, because only one item will be seen at any one time. But if we stay with 7, which items should go last because they might not be read? It’s the same with features or reasons to love txp, the most important points should go first so they’ve more chance of being read. So it comes round to Jonathan’s question again – what are the major features of txp?

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