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Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
Reid, me and jukka have a history of name-calling, we understand each other. You should be able to see the funny side of it, too. Why did you delete the end of that sentence which showed it was done in good humour?
Julián, always the peacemaker :-)
The division is a bit different to xPattern because it is only temporary and aims to have only one Textbook. So long as we are sincere, our actions will not be in vain. The future’s bright, the future’s txp orange :-) (that’s from a well know ad slogan in UK. I just mean the future’s bright, the future’s good for txp, sorry to those who got the joke and I’ve now spoiled it ;) And yes, the secret is breathing! Let’s all keep breathing!
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Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
zero wrote:
Reid, me and jukka have a history of name-calling, we understand each other. You should be able to see the funny side of it, too.
I see. So anyone who comes here should be aware of that, accept it, and dredge through it to get to anything relevant to the topic at hand.
Sorry, IMHO that was demeaning, insulting, unnecessary, and most importantly, unhelpful in an already heated thread.
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Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
fwiw
I’m pleased to see both Peter and Destry are making progress on the TxtBook upgrade – even if Destry isn’t ready to show all the work he’s done so far. I appreciate both making a contribution.
This thread is a bit tense. Some of the discussion seems better exchanged as private messages – the ROI for the community at large is low, as Mr. Dale indicated.
One of the characteristics and values I have appreciated about the Txp community, and the forums in particular, has been the ability to keep things civil even when disagreeing, and keeping the dialogue out of the gutter. I think it helps create a positive momentum for the existing community and a positive first impression for newcomers checking the forums out.
Sadly, I’m not sure this thread communicates all that positively, especially to new people.
zero wrote:
me and jukka have a history of name-calling, we understand each other.
I wondered if that was the case from your interchange (past and present), but wasn’t sure. It came across like a hostile exchange. Glad that was not the case.
As noted, Peter is an active, passionate, do-er with strong opinions. It appears to me that he may sense he is being marginalized as a participant in the MW redevelopment.
Destry has invested a lot of the years. I appreciate that he is able and willing to be active again. It appears to me that he may sense a lack of respect and appreciation. It sounds like he’s frustrated that he has not been given access to the .com redesign that is taking place.
I trust you guys can work things out. Life’s too short, and big picture-wise, you are after the same thing.
Looking forward to good things for Txp and Txbook
Mike
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Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
maverick wrote:
Sadly, I’m not sure this thread communicates all that positively, especially to new people.
Sorry if this may sidetrack this thread, we’ll be able to split it soon enough.
These conversations we have at times, where it’s like family quarreling does nothing for a new user. In actuality it’s noise that turns them off, makes them wonder if they should be here, fidgety, head for the door and jump into the back seat of the car to be sped away.
My suggestion is that we should hold these type of conversations in forums that are only allowed to be read by certain ranks of forum users. We have too much history here, a couple of shots of bourbon and it can get dicey ;)
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Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
hcgtv wrote:
we’ll be able to split it soon enough.
OT/Tangent – I had not realized PunBB was sold to a commercial company, nor that FluxBB was its open source fork. Are there plans to change over the forums to FluxBB sooner than later?
hcgtv – I agree. Personally I’d prefer it if conversations like this were to take place in a venue that didn’t scare off visitors, new adopters, etc.
Last edited by maverick (2008-08-05 23:08:43)
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Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
zero wrote:
me and jukka have a history of name-calling, we understand each other.
Do we? :D Okay, we really do :), but as Maverick and reid pointed out, it might look really something else, like a real internet battle. Mather of fact, I think Gangsta Internet Battles are waste of time ;)
Keep it on the topic (like I’m best to say it aloud) :P Maybe I’m just a nutcase, but I think that this topic is like hockey goalie with butterfly techinique; goes fast, hectic, sensitive, low and drops down too easily :)
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Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
I guess in the end of the day, unless TxB is moving, some of this is my call. Which is odd because I’ve never really felt like I had any right to make any decisions about TxB. I always just saw my role as a mechanic (I’ve now obviously gone mad with power).
I don’t really no how to say this without potentially pissing somebody off, so please take this in the honest nature it’s intended. For me TxB is destry’s baby. He started the discussions about it and along with David_1cog did a majority share of the infrastructure work that drives the current site. I remember the early discussions that got the whole thing started. If he is inclined to become involved again I really want to give him the opportunity to do so.
This is not to discount Peter’s work. Like everyone here has said you are the new doer while we old timers mostly sit around shooing kids off the lawn. I really would like this to be a joint effort because I got to be honest if I need to choose I’m going to choose destry simply because of the time we’ve already working together. Peter and I haven’t really cooperated on anything yet.
Please work things out so I don’t have to make any decisions :)
It’s obvious the lack of cheese has gotten the best of the community.
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Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
A couple of simple questions for you, Destry:
You say great headway on content discussion has been made in this thread. So you include namespaces with content?
You say you’ll open up your skin work when it gets further along. Fine. But isn’t the skin the last thing on the agenda? What about IA and the top-level organizational factors you have in mind? Surely they don’t include “thinking deeply into the words on each wiki page at this point” so can you share a paragraph about those with us?
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Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
Destry wrote:
I will certainly open up my skin work when it gets further along. No point in showing it before there’s anything to show.
Totally understood. My comment was only meant to show support for all the things you had listed as having done in a previous post. Just because something isn’t ready for people to “kick the tires”, doesn’t mean work has not taken place. It was meant to counter the criticism that you had not made your efforts public.
For the record, I’m not miffed one bit about not seeing the .com design.
Sorry to misinterpret.
I just wanted to make it clear what my thoughts are about the cohesiveness among the family of sites (like what WordPress does). . . .I’m not TeamTextpattern, so it’s not my call.
Understood its not your call. Agree with your thoughts about cohesiveness. They may not be clones, but should be themed for maximum impact.
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Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
zero wrote:
But isn’t the skin the last thing on the agenda?
Division of Labor according to expertise? One works on the content, the other works on the technical side so its ready to receive the content?
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Re: [wiki] A New Textbook
maverick wrote:
OT/Tangent – I had not realized PunBB was sold to a commercial company, nor that FluxBB was its open source fork. Are there plans to change over the forums to FluxBB sooner than later?
My response is over here.
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zero wrote:
so can you share a paragraph about those with us?
I’ll share more than one, but since I said I would not write volumes in this thread anymore, and since we’re talking about architecture, I’ll reply here
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