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Re: TxP.com home page
Heck, maniqui, and I thought I wrote long posts
Hehehe, “inspiration will find you working” could be “inspiration to avoid working will find you working”.
Instead of doing what I have to do, I start to think this great ideas and then I can’t stop.
In fact, when I was writing the post, I thought: “this will be longer than any post by Bloke”. But this isn’t also my first inspired post (and it isn’t the first one rejected, hehe).
OK, if both of you are not convinced by my ideas, at least I’m convinced by yours…
Well… I have this another great idea: avoid posting great ideas for a while.
We can start discussing this: http://notes.wetzlmayr.at/textpattern:relaunch:should-textpattern.com-match-the-template
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Re: TxP.com home page
Hi maniqui, I think your idea for MLP sounds great, except for the practical problems for new users. But I don’t know anything about MLP, having never needed it, so what do I know? Perhaps it could be incorporated in the new txp.com with a disclaimer attached, or perhaps not. Perhaps it’s better to point to sites that use it successfully.
As a user who knows MLP well, would you like to write an article about it on TXPQ? Some details about how wonderful it is and some explanation of setup, possible problems etc. Also links to some sites using it. It will help you spread the word and give a good understanding that must be difficult without reading a very long forum thread.
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#33 2008-05-26 18:33:26
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Re: TxP.com home page
Bloke wrote:
Added a couple of bits about SEO placement to try and at least put us on the radar. Help out if you can in the discussion on the right sort of search terms
Added some thoughts to this page. I would really like to contribute to the content side, since I think half of these issues people have is how the product is positioned and marketed to the rest of the world.
Kevin
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Re: TxP.com home page
ruud wrote:
MLP isn’t a plugin, it’s a hack.
Agreed, it is a hack.
But should TxP.com be multilingual? Is it something the devs would like? If so, I would be willing to try make MLP less hacky.
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@ ruud, zero, Bloke
The questions are:
Does TXP need a multilingual site or not? Wouldn’t it be beneficial for TXP itself? (main questions, if the answer is “no”, then skip this post)
Suppose:
I’m a newcomer, I’m looking at TXP.com for the very first time, I notice (or don’t notice) that the site is multilingual. If I notice the site is multilingual, I would think: “cool, this TXP thing does multilingual sites, although right now (or maybe never) I won’t need this feature”.
How is that confusing for newcomers?
Newcomers don’t know nothing about MLP, so they don’t know if it is a plugin or a hack or if it is built-in on TXP.
They will just notice that multilingual sites are possible with TXP. How? Well, if they need a multilingual site, they should investigate and learn how to do it. And, BTW, MLP is not the only way of doing a multilingual site with TXP.
@ zero
I still owe you a reply to another email (sorry). I’ve started to reply to it a month ago, and there it is: still saved as a draft.
About writing an article about MLP, give me sometime, I’m really bad at writing ideas (if you don’t believe me, re-read my long post, hehehe).
No, really, I would like to, so, I will try to. Thanks for inviting me (again) to collaborate with TXPQ.
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Re: TxP.com home page
graeme wrote:
But should TxP.com be multilingual? Is it something the devs would like?
The “facts”, as far the access log reveals them:
| lang | % visitors |
|---|---|
| en | 70% |
| de | 13% |
| fr | 4% |
| nl | 3% |
| ru | 3% |
| zh-cn | 3% |
| es | 3% |
So, without any disrespect for non-english visitors, I’d rather allocate resources elsewhere.
If so, I would be willing to try make MLP less hacky.
MLP being less hacky would be appreciated anyway, and I’d like to add that we would glady introduce unobtrusive hooks/extensions/callbacks into core which helps with that goal.
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Re: TxP.com home page
wet wrote:
we would glady introduce unobtrusive hooks/extensions/callbacks into core which helps with that goal.
Trying not to go too off-topic, would this tiny patch be one you would consider to help the de-facto gold-standard glz_custom_fields work without modification to the core?
I’m not sure if it falls under the banner “unobtrusive” (depends on how resource intensive preg_grep is) but it is only 3 lines of code :-)
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#38 2008-05-27 17:16:57
- redbot
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Re: TxP.com home page
Bloke wrote:
Trying not to go too off-topic, would this tiny patch be one you would consider to help the de-facto gold-standard glz_custom_fields work without modification to the core?
That’s what I was wondering too…
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Re: TxP.com home page
Extending the number of columns in txp_textpattern is the wrong approach. This should be solved by moving the custom fields to a separate table, not by making the existing table layout even worse.
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Re: TxP.com home page
ruud wrote:
Extending the number of columns in txp_textpattern is the wrong approach.
/bloke confused. Didn’t know glz_custom_fields did that. Thought it used its own table for anything >10 and that all the patch did was allow the txp_prefs table to return custom_set_11, custom_set_12, etc instead of stopping at 10. *shrug* I must have got it wrong, sorry.
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Re: TxP.com home page
It does the EE approach and adds new columns to the textpattern table. This does allow it’s custom fields to be compatible with existing custom field tags but it’s not a great approach.
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Re: TxP.com home page
wet wrote:
The “facts”, as far the access log reveals them
Ok, right now, accesses are mostly of english-readers visitors (but a 30% percent isn’t from english-readers visitors).
But I see it the other way: probably (because having more SE exposure) a multilingual site will increase non-english visitors, then, the base of non-english Textpattern users.
Newcomers and old non-english TXP users (and there are currently many non-english TXP users) will benefit of translated content, particularly, translated FAQs.
So, without any disrespect for non-english visitors, I’d rather allocate resources elsewhere.
That’s why I suggested to have MLP on the back-end even when the relaunch will probably be just in english (although, if the idea of a multilingual site for TXP.com is accepted, I would bet that the relaunch of the site could be done in more than one language).
But, again, TXP.com can just have MLP installed (yes, the time that takes to install MLP is a resource, but really, it’s less than 5 minutes): if we don’t use it then, no problem.
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Re: TxP.com home page
Simply put: We won’t run Textpattern.com from a non-standard Textpattern release.
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Re: TxP.com home page
Those who have offered to contribute, so far:
- Kevin Potts: marketing-compliant verbiage and world-domination strategy
- Matthew Smith: a beautiful, compelling site design aka PSD mockups
- milkshake: visitor funneling wireframes
- maniqui: markup with a style
- zero: everything else, plus taming the Googlebot
(I hope I missed nobody. Anyone else to volunteer?)
We won’t change a lot of the deeper content (it’s more about visuals there), I suppose, as the FAQs are fine and the weblog entries are part of the TXP history.
So it’s about the homepage.
Kevin: What are the first sentences a visitor would read there? What else would we put there?
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Re: TxP.com home page
I’m not Kevin but I think that in the header, opposite the sitename and slogan should be a h2 link with:
Download Textpattern – The CMS that gives you Freedom
And a p link with: More Info
Or something like that. I’ve not been in sales but they have a maxim: always be closing.
Therefore, I think these links should be sitewide.
Last edited by zero (2008-06-09 07:08:58)
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