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#46 2008-04-13 18:46:12

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Re: dev.textpattern.com gone missing ?

@Bert – well I did wait until they got to RC2. ;)

@Stef – My new machine came with Vista pre-loaded. I managed to last about 2 hours with it before fetching out my XP disk. As for the 2 years, I hope I will be happy enough with Ubuntu or whatever not to have to bother at all. :)

You know, 4 to 6 weeks seems like an awfully long time right now.


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#47 2008-04-13 19:51:07

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Re: dev.textpattern.com gone missing ?

hcgtv wrote:

Don’t get me wrong, Ubuntu has been great for the Linux community. But as a long time Linux user, I feel that eventually, if you have the time and inclination, using another distro like Debian, will teach you more about your machine.

I did not get you wrong :) You are right, Ubuntu is great for pulling people away from Windows. The inclination is there all right, and whenever I will have that time, I’m going to install every distro I can find. It’s just when you don’t have the time and you want something that – sorry, here I go again – ‘just works’, there is nothing wrong with sticking with Ubuntu. And not everyone wants to develop an intimate relationship with his machine ;)

Konqueror, which is close to Safari in rendering.

Thanks, I did not know that.

Peter

I’m using Wine, for ies4linux and one or two other windows apps that I haven’t found alternatives for. They work for me but apparently not all apps do. So if you really need them you can always dual boot for a while (that’s what I do, until I can convince my husband to leave windows alone…)
Besides Firefox, I have Opera and Konqueror for testing, and I also use IE Net Renderer and BrowsrCamp for screenshots.

Stuart

Unless you’re still using dial up, download the ISO and burn it onto a CD :)

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#48 2008-04-13 20:11:33

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Re: dev.textpattern.com gone missing ?

Thanks Els, that’s enough for me! I’ll be moving to Linux pretty soon. I just have to figure out the best way to go about it – my windows setup has become a real mess and my hard drive is nearly full.


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#49 2008-04-13 21:48:17

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Re: dev.textpattern.com gone missing ?

The best way to have IE6/7 (and any other Windows-only software) on a Linux is by creating a virtual machine.
There is VirtualBox: i have tested it and it’s great and easy.
For those who have never messed with a virtual machine, it’s like having another computer inside your computer.
Your real computer is the host, and the virtual machine is a guest, where you install any operative system exactly as if you were doing in on the real one.
Virtual machines don’t need any special hardware, but you will probably need to have at least more than 512 MB of RAM.
So, you can install a Windows XP on your virtual machine and then install something like Multiple IEs (easy way to install IE7, IE6 and any previous version of IE) or IETester (I think it also supports to install IE8 beta).

You can improve the performance of your virtual machine by tuning and tweaking your Windows XP (common tweaking like disablng themes and eye candies, uninstalling un-needed software, disabling background services, etc).
That’s why I go with some versions of WinXP named TinyXP and MicroXP, that are unattended installations, stripped down (unnecessary componentes disabled or removed), already tweaked and tuned-up and up-to-date with services packs and security fixes, that run really smooth, consuming less space on HDD and less RAM than any WinXP SP2 as it comes bundled by MS.


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#50 2008-04-14 15:15:16

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Re: dev.textpattern.com gone missing ?

I don’t know if VirtualBox supports Virtual PC images (VMWare does) but MS makes time bombed VPC images available for browser testing.

Saves you from having to buy Windows just for browser testing.


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#51 2008-04-14 16:58:47

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Re: dev.textpattern.com gone missing ?

Btw: The Safari Windows Version runs under Wine, and — as said before — IE6/7 from the IEs4linux-project. (Debian Lenny)


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#52 2008-04-15 06:30:08

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Re: dev.textpattern.com gone missing ?

Just thinking out loud here but I would think that most people who run Safari Win only do so as a browser test to ensure that Safari Mac works OK so wouldn’t it be more appropriate if you could get Mac apps to run under Linux? Is that possible at all?


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#53 2008-04-15 07:18:32

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Re: dev.textpattern.com gone missing ?

There are virtualizers like VMware and MacOnLinux. But I don’t know how these works. I don’t know another solution. I think there is no API like WINE for Windows, ‘cause the former PPC arch doesn’t allow this.

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#54 2008-04-25 16:04:06

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Re: dev.textpattern.com gone missing ?

Well my disks arrived today so I have a fun weekend ahead. Unfortunately they are 7.10 so I get to learn how to upgrade as well. Oh joy. :)


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#55 2008-04-25 17:00:51

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I got 7.10 from Linux Magazine, so was going to do the same as you, Stu. I tried installing 3 times but each time could not login. Kept getting wrong password/user name message, even though I had them right. I never dowloaded 700mb before and thought it would take a long long time but I downloaded 8.0.4 from Heanet (Ireland) last night in about 15 minutes! I just installed it and am using it now. So far, so good!


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#56 2008-04-26 15:06:39

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Re: dev.textpattern.com gone missing ?

thebombsite wrote:

Unfortunately they are 7.10 so I get to learn how to upgrade as well. :)

Be careful upgrading, just read this post over at the Debian forums.

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#57 2008-04-26 21:31:34

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Re: dev.textpattern.com gone missing ?

Peter and Stuart, just stick with 7.10 for the moment. What I see at the Dutch Ubuntu forums is that almost all experienced users are very enthusiastic about Hardy Heron, but the less experienced ones seem to encounter quite a few problems. At the moment I don’t have the time to experiment, but I might have a go at it next week; I’ll keep you informed. It won’t be a problem if you keep using Gutsy, it will be supported for another year :)

Edit: Peter, I overlooked that you already installed 8.04. Fresh installs always seem to work better than upgrades anyway :)

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#58 2008-04-27 08:19:27

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Re: dev.textpattern.com gone missing ?

Mmmm. Thanks for the link Bert. So what does that mean? Should I just install Ubuntu 7.10 and wait for the fixes to go into the new version or ignore Ubuntu entirely and download Debian?


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#59 2008-04-27 13:49:54

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Re: dev.textpattern.com gone missing ?

From my point of view, 8.0.4 looks just the same as the 7.10 live cd which I ran for a few days. I can’t see a difference unless I look on the Ubuntu site to find out. I’ve installed Wine, no problem, and some Windows progs all without problems. (Well, just one slight hitch. A winehq.com link is needed now and then when installing Windows progs and it sometimes doesn’t work on first click, but always works at the second attempt) I’ve got XAMPP up and running ok. I’ve got IES4 and IE6 running. When I first tried to open IE6 from the desktop it froze my system. But on reboot it is all working fine, so it’s probably the windows thing of restarting the computer everytime you install a windows program that kicked in. I’m using IE6 now. So all is very very well :-)


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#60 2008-04-27 14:04:12

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Re: dev.textpattern.com gone missing ?

thebombsite wrote:

Mmmm. Thanks for the link Bert. So what does that mean? Should I just install Ubuntu 7.10 and wait for the fixes to go into the new version or ignore Ubuntu entirely and download Debian?

I don’t think you should look at Debian forums to learn things about Ubuntu, just like reading Ubuntu forums won’t give you unbiased information about Windows :)

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