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els · 2008-04-11 23:05:57

thebombsite wrote:

I bet they’ve moved on a bit. ;)

Just wait 12 more days and you can have 8.04 LTS :)

typeshige · 2008-04-12 00:28:32

There are lots of people who like Ubuntu, Fedora and Debian..

I personally like Gentoo. The setup is pretty long and involved, but provided you follow the directions and take it slow, you’ll learn a lot just from the install. Those guys and gals did a great job on the documentation (Handbook)

If you don’t mind spending time messing with the system, Gentoo is a great one. By default, it doesn’t give you a GUI, but that’s easy to install. The hard thing about Gentoo is the sheer number of choices you have with just about every step, so you’ll probably be back to the net to read up on the options you have. Luckily, there are a ton of “howto” documents and the forum is quite useful too.

My take on the philosopy of Gentoo is that everything is compiled on your machine using the settings for your processor and adding only the modules you want. For example, PHP has a ton of things that can be compiled into it and most pre-compiled packages take the “kitchen sink” approach. If you want to make the most of your resources, you’ll select just the things you need and Gentoo is designed to make that as painless as possible.

I’d recommend putting it on your oldest, slowest computer for learning Linux. Try compiling a kernel and installing it too!

thebombsite wrote:

Well on my old machine I had the hard drive partitioned and was running a copy of Ubuntu, which I liked but I never got my modem “connected up” so was unable to do any on-line stuff. I haven’t tried installing it to the new machine yet. I must have another go at it. Which flavour of Linux do people recommend these days?

thebombsite · 2008-04-12 07:30:06

@Els – well I’ve already ordered a couple of disks (last night) but they do take 4 to 6 weeks so hopefully I will get the newer version. I also checked up on the latest “how to” for my modem and it seems a bit more detailed and easier to understand so hopefully I can get it up and running this time.

@typehinge – thanks for the info. The reason I have a new machine is because the old one packed up on me. I’m not sure exactly what the problem is though I suspect it maybe the graphics. I can boot up into safe mode so when I get the time I shall try and find the fault and fix it. Then I can start playing around a bit with some different flavours of Linux.

hcgtv · 2008-04-12 14:40:31

Els wrote:

Just wait 12 more days and you can have 8.04 LTS :)

I followed the Ubuntu forums for awhile, I came away with the impression that it was hard to upgrade to newer versions, many horror stories from users made me cringe a bit. I use Debian, which is what Ubuntu is based off of, and I’ve never had a problem upgrading to the next release.

I like Ubuntu, I like it’s polish, learned a lot from it when I had it installed on my laptop, especially how to get Gnome looking really good. Though I feel this polish comes at a price, it’s almost a Windows like experience, good in that new users get a chance to run Linux, bad in the sense that when things break, dropping into a command line is the only way to fix things.

My feeling is that Ubuntu and similar hand holding distros are great to start off with, but then a user, when ready, should throw away the training wheels and run a different distro.

ruud · 2008-04-12 15:52:54

Same here. I’m using Debian testing, which is okay if you don’t mind fixing stuff every now and then.

els · 2008-04-12 17:12:27

hcgtv wrote:

I followed the Ubuntu forums for awhile, I came away with the impression that it was hard to upgrade to newer versions, many horror stories from users made me cringe a bit. I use Debian, which is what Ubuntu is based off of, and I’ve never had a problem upgrading to the next release.

I’ve seen those horror stories as well, but personally never experienced them :) Most of the times I’ve done a clean install of every new version, but recently I just did a distribution upgrade, and that went smoothly.

I like Ubuntu, I like it’s polish, learned a lot from it when I had it installed on my laptop, especially how to get Gnome looking really good.

I don’t care about good looks… It should ‘just work’, and that’s what it does for me.

Though I feel this polish comes at a price, it’s almost a Windows like experience, good in that new users get a chance to run Linux,

That is probably a very important advantage of Ubuntu, it makes crossing over from Windows easier for those that value the ‘polish’. I’ve seen Ubuntu Studio convince a lot of people to finally make the change.

bad in the sense that when things break, dropping into a command line is the only way to fix things.

I don’t think that is bad, it’s an advantage! There is always the command line to help you out :)

My feeling is that Ubuntu and similar hand holding distros are great to start off with, but then a user, when ready, should throw away the training wheels and run a different distro.

ruud wrote:

I’m using Debian testing, which is okay if you don’t mind fixing stuff every now and then.

Though I really enjoy ‘fixing stuff’ when I have the time, in the end it should ‘just work’, isn’t that why we are leaving Windows?
So of course I will run different distros – when I have the time to experiment, which unfortunately is not likely to happen in the very near future…

thebombsite · 2008-04-12 20:50:56

I have to agree with Els at this point, I want something that works at least until I’m comfortable with the various aspects of updating and setting preferences.

What I have always wondered about is that it is so easy to keep Windows up-to-date so why haven’t the various Linux distros come up with something similar?

maniqui · 2008-04-12 21:52:37

At work, I use Kubuntu. It’s great for web-development, particularly because of KIO that makes it really easy to work with remote files/folders (FTP, WebDAV) as if they were mounted locally.

In my laptop, I have installed Xubuntu. I like its look and feel.
One thing you would like to know is that whichever desktop version (Gnome, KDE, Xfce) of Ubuntu you install, you can install apps created for other desktops. They will only take probably some more space on the HDD (because apps developed from one desktop will need some desktop libraries to work properly), but they won’t steal resources when they aren’t running. That was something I didn’t know at first.

Keeping Ubuntu up to date is fairly easy, even between different releases (versions). It’s true that it’s easy to keep Windows up-to-date on the same version, but I’ve read many horror stories about trying to upgrade from one major version of Windows to another (W98 to XP, WinXP to Vista).

As Els points, in a few days there is going to be a new release of Ubuntu. Because I’m a little obsesive, I will wipe out the current installation and start from scratch, but mainly because I want to re-learn (and probably, suffer too) some things again.

ruud · 2008-04-12 22:25:42

Keeping debian up-to-date means typing this in a terminal window: apt-get upgrade or aptitude upgrade (whichever you prefer)
And that upgrades everything, unlike with Windows, where it only upgrades some Microsoft stuff and nothing else.

thebombsite · 2008-04-13 11:22:30

Windows update will update drivers as well as Windows itself and Microsoft applications but for non-Microsoft applications there is usually the option to have the application check for it’s own updates so it isn’t reliant on Windows update. I have to say, having used Windows at home since version ’95 (3.1 at work) that from an update and reliability point-of-view I’m pretty happy with my existing Windows XP sp3 setup, I’m just not comfortable with being so reliant on one company, Microsoft. And I shall avoid Vista like the plague for at least 2 years.

Bloke · 2008-04-13 11:41:33

thebombsite wrote:

I shall avoid Vista like the plague for at least 2 years.

Only 2? Try ‘forever’ :-D

Vista is like living in a nanny state. Things like “Oooh, you can’t do that it might hurt me” or “That is potentially unsafe, are you sure?” repeated ad nauseum until you’re close to chucking the machine out the window. And it sucked the machine dry in terms of performance.

After a day of installing software apps and updating drivers (mixed with the mandatory reboot after almost every other app/driver) on a new machine with Vista pre-installed I was just clicking “yes” without even reading the security notice, which surely defeats the point!

Copious swear words and one complete reformat later, Ubuntu was on the box; it’s heaven in comparison. The latest OS from Micro$oft is one big Vistake.

hcgtv · 2008-04-13 15:56:47

Els wrote:

I’ve seen Ubuntu Studio convince a lot of people to finally make the change.

Don’t get me wrong, Ubuntu has been great for the Linux community. But as a long time Linux user, I feel that eventually, if you have the time and inclination, using another distro like Debian, will teach you more about your machine.

thebombsite wrote:

I’m pretty happy with my existing Windows XP sp3 setup

I thought about installing sp3, but I decided on waiting for the official rollout. I’m not very adventurous on my XP partition, once things are working, I leave them alone.

zero · 2008-04-13 16:38:30

I’d love to delete Windows. Has anyone got Opera, Firefox, Safari, IE6 and IE7 running on Ubuntu, Debian etc?

hcgtv · 2008-04-13 17:33:10

zero,

I use Firefox only, Debian calls it Iceweasel, don’t ask.

For IE, try out IEs4Linux – a simple wine based installer.

Opera has a Linux build out, Opera 9.27 for Linux i386.

Safari, I guess you could run the Windows version under Wine or test in Konqueror, which is close to Safari in rendering.

zero · 2008-04-13 17:42:57

Thanks Bert, IEs4Linux looks OK but has anyone here actually used it?
Is anyone using Wine for their windows apps?
I’ve tried Debian before and Wine but never got wine to work right. I just wanted a couple of windows apps but could never install them.

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