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Is textpattern visible with ie8b?
I’ve been using netrenderer to check some minor css changes to my site. As from recently they also provide screenshots from an ie8b1 browser.
All of my sites (see signature:) returned a white screen so I thought of checking other ones just in case.
Google was rendered just fine and so was this forum.
textpattern.com, .org and the textbook returned a white screen.
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#2 2008-03-26 09:44:33
- els
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Re: Is textpattern visible with ie8b?
Completely invisible :) All of my sites return blank screens as well. If it’s any comfort, so do WP sites and wordpress.com…
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#3 2008-03-26 10:31:31
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Re: Is textpattern visible with ie8b?
I discovered this just the other day and have been ignoring it, after all it’s IE. Good to know I’m not alone though :-)
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#4 2008-03-26 11:58:45
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Re: Is textpattern visible with ie8b?
Must be a feature :)
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Re: Is textpattern visible with ie8b?
It seems to not like images on a site. Try sites without images and it renders them OK.
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Re: Is textpattern visible with ie8b?
zero wrote:
It seems to not like images on a site. Try sites without images and it renders them OK.
Hi peter, I do not think that this is the case as google renders just fine
Last edited by colak (2008-03-26 13:19:10)
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Re: Is textpattern visible with ie8b?
I checked 01010.org and it’s fine. It uses no images. I checked 01010.org/minim/ and it is whitescreen. It uses images. I checked 01010.org/texty/ and it is fine. It uses no images.
So it’s not down to the url. I checked my other sites and get the same results relating to images or not.
Google.com uses no doctype and has 50 validation errors (if you can stomach it, look at the source. Not for the faint-hearted). I removed the doctype from 01010.org/minim and now it renders!
Go figure!
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Re: Is textpattern visible with ie8b?
zero wrote:
I removed the doctype from 01010.org/minim and now it renders!
You cracked it! It just doesn’t like the doctype!
It also does not recognise margin: 0 auto 0 auto; making central div alignments to fail miserably. I guess this is an early beta and I hope that they will fix it. I thought that when upgrading a software you build on top of existing code. Maybe ms is trying to re-invent the wheel each time they release a new version.
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#10 2008-03-28 20:01:35
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Re: Is textpattern visible with ie8b?
I have a feeling this might be caused by IE8’s “super-standards mode” as described here.
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Re: Is textpattern visible with ie8b?
So… How can we go round it for now?
Searching the net I found:
<?php
// this would be a simple ns4 test, say to protect
//some page code that will not work in Netscape 4x
if ( browser_detection('browser') == 'ns4' ) { execute some code; }
else { execute some other code; }
?>Can this be modified to
<txp:php>
// this would be a simple ie8 test, say to protect
//some page code that will not work in explorer 8
if ( browser_detection('browser') == 'ie8' ) { null }
else { <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> }
</txp:php>Using another little script found here all seems to work
<txp:php>
if (!(strpos($HTTP_USER_AGENT,'iewin/8') === true)) {
echo("null");
} else {
echo("<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">");
}
</txp:php>Except it returns the error “Parse error: syntax error, unexpected $end in /users/home/xxx/web/public/textpattern/publish/taghandlers.php(2804) : eval()’d code on line 8”
My php is non existent so any input here might help the community.
Last edited by colak (2008-03-29 09:12:53)
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Re: Is textpattern visible with ie8b?
Isn’t this why they call it a beta version?
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Re: Is textpattern visible with ie8b?
A browser that renders a blank page when it encounters a DOCTYPE is like a fire truck that melts when it encounters fire. I’m not sure why anyone would want to work around such problems today. There will likely be four or five betas of IE8, and each will have its own unique quirks. Trying to code your site for a bug in the first beta that will change in the next beta seems a waste of time.
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Re: Is textpattern visible with ie8b?
colak wrote:
Except it returns the error “Parse error: syntax error, unexpected $end in /users/home/xxx/web/public/textpattern/publish/taghandlers.php(2804) : eval()’d code on line 8”
It’s because of the DTD echo – you’ve got unescaped quotation marks. If you use single quotes, you’ll be good: echo '<DTD>';. Here’s an alternate version:
<txp:php>
if (strpos($HTTP_USER_AGENT,'iewin/8') === true)
{
// for IE8
echo '<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">';
}
else {
// return strict dtd for other browsers
echo '<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">';
}
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Re: Is textpattern visible with ie8b?
ruud wrote: Isn’t this why they call it a beta version?
reid wrote: A browser that renders a blank page when it encounters a DOCTYPE is like a fire truck that melts when it encounters fire.
Yes but what about the article linked by masa?
masa wrote: I have a feeling this might be caused by IE8’s “super-standards mode” as described here.
If indeed doctypes are in their way out and the acid2 test is what will count in the near future, then what happens to most of our sites?
@jm
I was thinking more in the lines of
<txp:php>
if (strpos($HTTP_USER_AGENT,'iewin/8') === true)
{
// for IE8 - echo nothing
echo 'null';
}
else {
// return strict dtd for other browsers
echo '<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">';
}
</txp:php>But null seems to be actually ‘printed’ on the page.
Yiannis
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