state of crockery

hcgtv · 2008-01-07 19:40:40

mrdale wrote:

It’s a pity, because TXP has vast potential.

+1

maverick · 2008-01-07 19:41:27

Even innocent questions and well intended criticism can sometimes feel discouraging.

fwiw

I see the beginning of subsection support. I like. I also see we can expire articles. I like. I like the progress made so far.

Thanks to each of you.

Mike

sthmtc · 2008-01-07 19:56:29

maverick wrote:

I like the progress made so far. Thanks to each of you.

+1

ruud · 2008-01-07 21:03:11

“We are not doing this for free”

Um… but I am doing this for free. Which of us isn’t?

Manfre · 2008-01-07 21:24:25

ruud wrote:

Um… but I am doing this for free. Which of us isn’t?

I code plugins the same reason I studied computer science in college…to meet women. ;)

robin746 · 2008-01-07 21:33:24

Um… but I am doing this for free. Which of us isn’t?

I think mrdale’s point was that more people could be involved developing for free. Then there’s less burden on all.

Personally, I use textpattern despite all of its faults. Since I have never posted on this before I will be explicit. Yes, I’m being critical, but no I’m not being negative — I hope everyone sees the difference.

Problems:

written in PHP, a braindead bastard of a language :-)
code completely undocumented and almost unhackable except by an expert
confusing documentation with stale info, much good stuff hidden in the fora, outdated plugins, etc.
inconsistent tag syntax with much necessary stuff hidden away in plugins
no real article workflow
admin site not geared to end users
lack of definitive info on future direction, progress, etc.
architecture that is too database-dependent for my liking

What do I like?

it’s free
it’s open
decent OOBE — easy setup
minimal server requirements — easy to host
good selection of plugins… though I wish fewer were required to do basic tasks
brilliant user community with tons of timely pertinent help

I would use EE (and might in the future) except it is not free and open. I am not against paying for software but for the customers I have the price makes a real difference.

However it is the last point that really makes the difference. There are at least two other products I would have used over textpattern except that their support fora were relatively dead. Thank you everyone here for being so brilliant!

If someone wants to write an open free Python CMS that’s lightweight and easy to host, has structured, documented code and stores posts using the file system I would use it in a heartbeat. Maybe someday I’ll have time to do it myself, but I do so much other stuff in my life for free I doubt it.

mrdale · 2008-01-07 21:39:19

OK, I’m a dork…

I meant “we’re not getting paid for this”, hopefully the larger point about involving more people in the development process was not lost.

And I should have also expressed my appreciation to all the devs for their excellent work, thus far… Again Kudos!

Last edited by mrdale (2008-01-07 22:03:42)

guiguibonbon · 2008-01-07 23:46:56

FWIW, I’m still praying for an early pre-crockery release. (not talking about 4.0.6) Even if it’s unsupported.

Actually, somebody better go reserve appetizerPattern on google code before I make up my mind about once releasing a local txp build that’s slowly taking shape on my hard drive.

Reminds me I should turn some of it into patches. Knowing very well they won’t be accepted, but ok.

^{PS : tagline for appetizerPattern : “waiting for the crockery”. Got it? Got it?}

Manfre · 2008-01-08 00:03:05

guiguibonbon wrote:

Reminds me I should turn some of it into patches. Knowing very well they won’t be accepted, but ok.

Getting patches in to crockery is not really a challenge as long as you keep the patches isolated to a single feature. Getting them in to 4.0 dev branch is a lot more difficult.

Neko · 2008-01-08 00:10:18

robin746 wrote:

I would use EE (and might in the future) except it is not free and open. I am not against paying for software but for the customers I have the price makes a real difference.

Perhaps we could donate a fraction of what we get off each clients’ work to the devs. I’m trying to do that every time since a few months. It’s a ridiculous amount, just a few bucks, but better than nothing.

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hakjoon · 2008-01-08 01:01:44

I really really just want a general vague idea of the goals for crockery are. We have subsections. We have better MVC type structure. We have more OO approach, but what is crockery trying to achieve? I want to help with crockery but evrytime I have time I never have idea what to even attempt to tackle so is spend my time thinking about writing a txp xml dictionaries for vim.

This is mostly because i’m already pretty happy with TXP as it is.

Last edited by hakjoon (2008-01-08 01:03:38)

net-carver · 2008-01-09 14:50:15

ruud wrote:

Lies, damn lies, statistics :)

Quite — but it might make some appreciate your efforts more.

Logoleptic · 2008-01-14 15:34:05

robin746 wrote:

code completely undocumented and almost unhackable except by an expert

More fully-commented code would be a great “feature” for Crockery, in my opinion. I sincerely hope that the developers are documenting their changes as they go.

You can get some guidance from this cross-reference at phpxref.com, but it’s still on 4.0.4. Anyone know what’s involved in getting that updated?

Also, I have to agree with everyone who praised the helpful user community here on the forum. This is light years ahead of both WordPress and Drupal.

iblastoff · 2008-01-14 15:42:25

Logoleptic wrote:

robin746 wrote:

code completely undocumented and almost unhackable except by an expert

You can get some guidance from this cross-reference at phpxref.com, but it’s still on 4.0.4. Anyone know what’s involved in getting that updated?

its 4.0.5. bert updated it just a while ago.

Logoleptic · 2008-01-14 16:31:23

iblastoff wrote:

its 4.0.5. bert updated it just a while ago.

As they say on the internets, “w00t.” :-)

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