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r2697: cross-browser test needed on MacOS and *nix
I’ve just committed a patch to the 4.0 branch which slightly modifies the admin pages’ navigation tab markup. The patch apparently renders fine with IE 6 and 7, Opera 9, Safari 3 (Win), and FF 2.
In case you are running Textpattern from Subversion and use a *nix operating system like Tiger, Linux or Leopard, please have a look at it with some other browser. Reload your admin page, as the style sheets has changed.
You shouldn’t notice any visual difference and be able to navigate the tabs as previously, minus the sometimes disturbing effect of losing your place in the active browser tab whenever you opened another menu entry in a second browser tab.
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Re: r2697: cross-browser test needed on MacOS and *nix
Tested Safari, Firefox, and Opera on Leopard.
Safari 3.0.4
Firefox 2.0.0.9.
edit: Opera 9.5 beta (4544)
Last edited by jm (2007-11-16 23:25:31)
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Strictly speaking, you don’t need the width:100%. display:block already implies this by default.
That said, it makes iExploder 6 happy (width being a ‘hasLayout’ trigger); other wise, only the link text will be clickable in that browser (if one can call that thing a browser). In this particular case, it doesn’t hurt anyone else.
Personally, I would use an Exploder specific ‘hasLayout’ trigger, such as zoom:1. No need to force a good rendering engine to perform additional computations, just for the sake of an old buggy thing.
btw, on the subject of haslayout.
Last edited by phiw13 (2007-11-17 01:45:08)
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Does TXP still need to support IE6? IE7 should’ve hit most computers by now. Even my university, which runs ancient PII computers (800×600 CRTs too), updated to IE7 via automatic updates.
IMO, TXP should only support recent versions of modern browsers. I’d say the baseline should be: Firefox 2, Safari 3, Opera 9, and IE7. BTW Safari 3 was just distributed to Tiger users.
Last edited by jm (2007-11-17 02:29:20)
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ehh i dunno. i know a lot of the people i’ve made sites for still use ie6 (especially at their workplaces for whatever reason). as much as i’d like to axe out ie6 altogether, i don’t think thats happening anytime soon.
Last edited by iblastoff (2007-11-17 03:32:58)
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jm wrote:
IMO, TXP should only support recent versions of modern browsers. I’d say the baseline should be: Firefox 2, Safari 3, Opera 9, and IE7. BTW Safari 3 was just distributed to Tiger users.
Bad idea.
- IE 7 only runs on XP SP 2 or Vista.
- Based on the stats I can access, IE 6 is far more present than IE 7.
- Most of my clients run IE 6.
- Safari 3 is only available for OS X 10.4.11 and 10.5. That leaves all the users of 10.3.x out in the cold (there are still lots of them). That also applies to people who don’t feel like / can’t upgrade (the latest OS X 10.4.11 weighted 70+ Mb. quite heavy for dial up users, or even slow dsl/cable)
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IE7 should’ve hit most computers by now. Even my university, which runs ancient PII computers (800×600 CRTs too), updated to IE7 via automatic updates.
Actually, it only comes with XP SP2’s and Vista’s updates. And with default OS-settings it even won’t install automatically. And how many users use XP or Vista? Well there is still 98, ME and 2000 that won’t support IE7 by default. And how many of Windows user have legal version of the win? Not so many.
And still IE6 is one of the most used browser along browsers.
Cheers!
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Thanks, guys!
Re: browser compatibility for the back end: As a rough guide line I’d like to support what Yahoo deems an A-grade browser. IE 6 is in, and it probably will be for another year or two…
Last edited by wet (2007-11-17 07:23:59)
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edit: way too slow.
I don’t see the point in wasting development time supporting old browsers for the back end. By old, I mean anything older than five years…IE6 was released in 2001.
- XP SP1, ME, and 98 (including SE) are no longer supported by Microsoft. If Microsoft doesn’t support the user’s OS, why should web developers have to? XP SP2 was released in 2003 for free, so XP users should have it. There’s no longer a genuine advantage/check required for IE7, so any user can install it, even if their XP copy is illegitimate. Win2000 is in its last support phase (extended – security updates only), and its market share is dwindling as well.
- I think most of the development team is on Windows and Linux, so the only version of Safari they have to test with is Safari 3. Either way, Safari 3 isn’t that different from v2 in terms of CSS support.
Looks like I’ve gotten this thread off on a tangent. To answer wet’s original question…the new menu looks fine. There’s a slight difference in the menu-label positions, but nothing serious. Thanks for removing the onclick event handlers too (used to mess with cmd-clicking in Safari).
Last edited by jm (2007-11-17 08:11:35)
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jm wrote:
Thanks for removing the
onclickevent handlers too (used to mess with cmd-clicking in Safari).
This was the driving force for this change set.
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jm wrote:
XP SP1, ME, and 98 (including SE) are no longer supported by Microsoft. If Microsoft doesn’t support the user’s OS, why should web developers have to?
Because whether or not Microsoft still supports something doesn’t really matter at all. Web developers don’t develop for Microsoft, they develop for visitors/users. If those visitors still use MSIE6 a lot (and on my websites it still has more market share than MSIE7) then it would be very unwise to drop MSIE6 support. If MSIE6 marketshare drops below a few percent (like MSIE5.x now), then dropping support is an option.
Mac users shouldn’t have to upgrade (which is not free) to the MacOSX 10.4 to be able to use TXP. I doubt Safari 3 is available for older OSX versions.
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#12 2007-11-17 19:43:56
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Re: r2697: cross-browser test needed on MacOS and *nix
jm wrote:
I don’t see the point in wasting development time supporting old browsers for the back end. By old, I mean anything older than five years…IE6 was released in 2001.
My site stats tell a different story. Sorry, I hear you, as much as I hate IE6 it is still relevant.
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