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#1 2007-03-01 10:05:32

minusf
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Registered: 2005-02-15
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[textile] a friendlier alias for non breakable space

hi there,

in some languages (mostly slavic) a preposition and the following
word should be separeted using a non breakable space, becase
orphan prepositions at the end of the line do not look good
(and are also forbidden if i am not mistaken).

now, writing text using   for mortals (and even not mortals)
is far from funny, reducing legibility considerably. that’s why i think
that creating a special sign for it would be a very fitting addition
to textile.

TeX solves this daunting problem using the tilde (~)
and i don’t see a reason for not “borrowing” it :)

at~the~party would become at the party

a tilde with space(s) on either side would generate a normal tilde:

at ~the~ party would become at ~the~ party

to keep ascii art junkies (like me) also happy.

so what do you people say?


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#2 2007-03-01 10:59:47

Jeremie
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From: Provence, France
Registered: 2004-08-11
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Re: [textile] a friendlier alias for non breakable space

Tilde may be used for other things in others languages.

But I agree this is a good idea: having a decent readable shortcut for non-breaking space.

Right now the only solution I have is:

  1. Hack Textile to insert it automatically when we can (in French we need nbsp before some punctuation),
  2. Use Mary’s quicktag plugin to insert either a #160; code (quite unfriendly to non-geek), or a real non-breaking space (invisible from a regular space).

Myself, I would use the middle dot (·) for nbsp, but it’s not easy to create on most keyboards, and may be widely use on other language (only the widely is an issue, since we could have a double middle dot ·· to create a single real one—since double nbsp are wrong).

But, if the tilde with space around is not used in other language, then yes, I’ll second the motion :)

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#3 2007-03-01 11:20:18

minusf
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Re: [textile] a friendlier alias for non breakable space

Tilde may be used for other things in others languages.

i think it’s quite safe to assume that in most languages it is
used as a diacritical mark. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilde

i think that ‘~’ is the single last not-yet-used sign best fitted
for this. i know, because i just had a long hard look at my keyboard :D

Myself, I would use the middle dot (·)

the only way i can make a middle dot is using html entities :}

but i had the pleasure with a french keyboard some years ago
and i will never forget the trauma it caused me :P


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#4 2007-03-01 18:22:12

Jeremie
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From: Provence, France
Registered: 2004-08-11
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Re: [textile] a friendlier alias for non breakable space

minusf wrote:

i think it’s quite safe to assume that in most languages it is
used as a diacritical mark. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilde

Yup, it seems you’re right. Let’s begin the tidle for nbsp campaign :)

the only way i can make a middle dot is using html entities :}

I should have emphasized myself. It’s a very personal use, most of the other people will disagree with me on this.

but i had the pleasure with a french keyboard some years ago
and i will never forget the trauma it caused me :P

Huhuhu. Well, the middle dot isn’t makable on a standard French keyboard, I use a extended keyboard driver to be able to output some very needed (in French) , but very forgotten, glyph like: æ, œ, –, —, ×, «», etc.

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