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Re: Textpattern Semantics: A General Revelation
Total newbie here, and I want to make sure I understand the distinction between categories correctly after reading the article.
My impressions:
- sections are concerned with different types of content
- categories are concerned with different topics of content
- a blog, linking to important stories
- longer essays/editorials
- multimedia archive
- elections 2004
- security and terrorism
- human rights
- trade and finance
Does that sound about right?
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Re: Textpattern Semantics: A General Revelation
yes, Elenita, that’s right and URLs like
http://yoursite.com/blog/?c=tradeandfinance will pull up different articles than http://yoursite.com/essays/?c=tradeandfinance
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Re: Textpattern Semantics: A General Revelation
So you want articles that are written for section X to appear in section X and an occasional article that was written for section Y to appear in Section X and its own section Y as well.
Is this correct?
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#34 2004-06-08 22:20:13
- samuel
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Re: Textpattern Semantics: A General Revelation
if i’m understanding all this correctly, it seems to me that lack of subcategories in textpattern is setting up a fundamental flaw in the way it functions that limits expandability. an example:
let’s say your site is composed of two main topics: cereal and omelets. both have a page that lists updates about the topic. both also have a page that tells further info about them and links to places of similar interest. the main page simply displays links to updates of each individual topic.
how would you go about setting this up in textpattern?
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#35 2004-06-08 23:40:32
- Remillard
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Re: Textpattern Semantics: A General Revelation
- Create two sections, cereal and omelets.
- For both, set them to “display on front page”
- Create a form to use for lists that only displays the permalink (or permalink and excerpt if applicable).
- Modify the default page template to only display the articles with your new form. You probably want to put links to the sections here as well.
- Create page templates for cereal and omelets with crunchy graphical doodads for cereal and golden fluffy layout for omelets. Make sure the article form lists body and not just link or excerpt.
- On your Sections tab, set cereal and omelet to the appropriate page templates.
I think this would do what you described. Articles about cereal and omelets would both display on the front page. The information on the front page would only be brief information and links to the articles. Clicking on the links will take you to the direct article. Clicking on the section link will take you to the new section page. On each section page, only links about cereal and omelets will be display respectively.
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#36 2004-06-09 01:07:16
- samuel
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Re: Textpattern Semantics: A General Revelation
ah, but you missed the key point i was trying to get at. i don’t want the links and additional info to be on the same page as the updates. i want a “more cereal info page” and a “more omelet info page”. i think you may have got caught up with the idea that my main page idea was the problem. i was just using that to illustrate a situation where something like this could happen.
the way it is now, textpattern can’t have any information not directly correlated with the main page (or idea). there’s no reasonable way to create delicious.com/omelets/moreinfo . no subsections limits you to delicious.com/omelets_moreinfo
see what i’m getting at? of course, if i’m completely wrong, feel free to correct me. but i don’t think i am.
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Re: Textpattern Semantics: A General Revelation
I really want subsections. I don’t use categories that much and having subsections that allow URLs that samuel is talking about would be great.
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Re: Textpattern Semantics: A General Revelation
Personal opinion: people nowadays worry too much about what their URLs look like :) Most readers don’t look up there. They are looking at the page and the navigation method.
On my site for example, you have to go through “Papers” to get to “Articles” or “Journal”, but I haven’t found a need for the url to read “jdueck.net/papers/journal/42/”.
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#39 2004-06-09 20:57:34
- samuel
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Re: Textpattern Semantics: A General Revelation
Personal opinion: people nowadays don’t worry enough about what their URLs look like :) Most readers look up there to see where they are. They aren’t looking at the navigation method.
On my site for example, you have to go through
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And why should there be a 42 in the url when it could just be the title, or even better the url only title :) I haven’t really figured out how txp rewrites its urls, but I’ve always wanted to hack around the default clean url mode – I liked MT’s handling of URI’s better. But I think that Dean will eventually help us all out with this.
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Re: Textpattern Semantics: A General Revelation
> sorry for that, just trying to make a point.
Putting words in my mouth that say the opposite of what I meant – how does that make a point?
>more info on the importance of URIs: http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI
That document doesn’t seem to condemn the use of a numeric id.
> content is able to be organized in a multitude of ways, while presentation is one dimensional. seems wrong.
You seem to have a point there.
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#43 2004-06-10 16:34:54
- samuel
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Re: Textpattern Semantics: A General Revelation
> Putting words in my mouth that say the opposite of what I meant – how does that make a point?
i was just trying to show that stating your opinion without any arguments to back it up is flawed. my opposite “argument” was just as strong as yours.
> That document doesn’t seem to condemn the use of a numeric id.
the number have nothing to do with the content, they expose the software mechanism, which is a big no no.
anyway, all i can hope it that textpattern gets subsections or something to alleviate this problem soon.
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Re: Textpattern Semantics: A General Revelation
> samuel wrote:
>to sum up: sure, jdueck.net/papers_journal/42/ works, but isn’t jdueck.net/papers/journal/42/ better?
Only marginally – in my opinion, once you’ve navigated to a site, the possibility of navigating it through the use of the address implies a number of things:
1) There’s a consistent addressing scheme – as you can see, there’s not. If you don’t know what to expect, the shape of the address is moot – whether you use numbers, slashes, or underscores matters not at all to the end reader. They will be looking at your page, not the address.
2) The organization of your site doesn’t make sense, and the user has to use the address to figure out where to go, or where they’ve been
3) The user doesn’t know how to edit bookmarks to read well.
4) That addresses can be multi-dimensional. They can, but only if there’s a consistent addressing scheme so that you know when you’re crossing dimensional borders.
5) and most importantly, anyone outside of site builders really cares what an URL looks like. For example – look at the address of this discussion on the forum. Did you use that to get here? I doubt it…
I fought the “clean URL” battle on my server just to get a pretty address, and you’ll be shocked to know that it didn’t matter a whit either way when I was done.
If this matters to you, by all means, go for the gusto, and rewrite Textpattern (or create a plug-in) that accomodates this preference. You can’t be the only person out there that cares about this…
Last edited by nryberg (2004-06-10 16:41:09)
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