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I used tables ... so sue me ...
So I did use tables on my my site design … is it wrong …
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#2 2006-12-04 19:54:43
- marios
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Re: I used tables ... so sue me ...
Interesting question, dbulli. A couple of Years ago one usually used to hear, use tables for tabular data.
I think there’s still many designers today, who use tables today for layout purposes.
The main reason may be is, that Browser Makers went mainstream (holding on propriatary stuff and keep backward compatability)
and the W3C commercial (sort of)
Now until Browsers understand CSS3 Specs, there is currently now way, how one could achieve fully working equal height columns,
or Even better, a sticked Footer and an unhacky way of min/max-width/height and the whole vertical positioning dilemma.
And once those specs are out again and start getting implemented, some Browsers won’t just display that right.
How many Years will that take again ?
That’s why Zeldmann implemented his Hybrid Layout Model ( Well ahead of his time)
Consider an on-line cataloogue, makes perfect sense to me.
( I’ll sue you )
regards, marios
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Re: I used tables ... so sue me ...
Equally high thing is a dilemma i am dealing with as we speak … three columns with backgrounds that have a footer at the bottom… again i could argue that it is a table … but such a slippery slope … so i will pull some hairs out before i go that route …
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Re: I used tables ... so sue me ...
Equal cols is impossible without CSS3 but for the meantime, use Faux Columns ; footer at bottom can be achieved with footerStickAlt
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Re: I used tables ... so sue me ...
oh yeah me an faux columns have been friends since the beginning …
my particular problem is that i have three columns in the middle of my content … and wanted them not only to be the same height which i think i could get away with some clever EM’ing or faux column .. but i need a link at the bottom of each column to line up ..
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#6 2006-12-05 00:35:20
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Re: I used tables ... so sue me ...
dbulli wrote:
but i need a link at the bottom of each column to line up ..
that’s what we call a footer nowadays. with a transparent background and your lovely faux-column background-image shining through.
There’s always a solution. CSS does tickle that “think out of the box”-part of my brains a bit too often to my taste, though.
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Re: I used tables ... so sue me ...
dbulli, D’ya happen to have a design mock-up around? I’m not entirely sure what you mean there.
I like your site by the way, very effective design.
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Re: I used tables ... so sue me ...
not really a footer … in the sense of the word but kinda of ..
http://www.nuff-respec.com/external/bottom-links.gif
Notice link1 / link 2 / link 3 at bottom all lining up with variable text above it … i can “cheat” and just break all … then put three more columns which looks perfectly visibly … but if you think of the link as “more info on head 1” … it won’t flow nicely enough for a screen reader…
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Re: I used tables ... so sue me ...
I like your site by the way, very effective design.
thanks alex !!
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#10 2006-12-05 02:00:47
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Re: I used tables ... so sue me ...
dbulli wrote:
not really a footer … in the sense of the word but kinda of ..
Notice link1 / link 2 / link 3 at bottom all lining up with variable text above it … i can “cheat” and just break all … then put three more columns which looks perfectly visibly … but if you think of the link as “more info on head 1” … it won’t flow nicely enough for a screen reader…
I think it isn’t worth the hassle (Using CSS equal height column hacks) Apply thousand CSS hacks for the cases, where the links aren’t working, test in all Browsers, etc…,
Use Dan Cederholms method, that is ( as Alex suggests )
You will just be wasting your time with the former.
See here also
(You probably already know this list.)
regards, marios
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Re: I used tables ... so sue me ...
dbulli wrote:
not really a footer … in the sense of the word but kinda of ..
I really don’t think it’s going to be possible without some heavy hacking … and even then, it won’t work cross browser. You might persuade FF and Opera to do it, but not IE.
Of course, don’t give up just because we say so – it’s the ones who don’t give up who end up finding the solution :D
Alex McKee wrote:
I like your site by the way, very effective design.
dbulli wrote:
thanks alex !!
You’re most welcome
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Re: I used tables ... so sue me ...
Well got designer to change his mind =) … i did implement as a break … and then I sent it to some accessibility folks and a blind user for testing ….
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