Packt Publishing Open Source CMS awards

kejonn · 2006-09-18 19:27:43

This has been a “flawed” concept for a contest. Sure, the winner will be awarded $5k – and that makes it serious – but think of the whole set-up:

“This is a $5,000 award presented to an open source Content Management System that has been voted ‘the best’ by an expert panel of judges and visitors to www.PacktPub.com.”

The key here is “and visitors” because the top 5 were obviously those with the most users. After all, how many people do you think voted for a system they don’t use but think is the best? All of the finalists have very large user bases so in the end popularity was the key. Thus you can pretty much throw away the rest of the contest for legitimacy because the “best” ones may not have made it into the final 5 so now the judges must pick the “best” of the most popular.

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goncalo.dumas · 2006-09-19 22:02:23

I’ve been using textpattern for a year now, an I can guarantee you, it’s the best I’ve ever used. It gives you fine grip on all aspects I think I will ever use.
I used drupal, joomla and xoops before knowing textpattern. In some of them I contributed with translations to Portuguese.
Drupal – my second choice after textpattern, lacks the separation between the administration side and the website himself.

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hcgtv · 2006-11-16 23:11:27

Joomla! Has been announced as the winner of the 2006 Open Source CMS Award with Drupal in second place and Plone finishing in third.

Destry · 2006-11-17 11:57:18

hcgtv wrote:

Joomla! Has been announced as the winner of the 2006 Open Source CMS Award with Drupal in second place and Plone finishing in third.

Yaaaawn… Typical, if this was the horse track, I could have won the trifecta. Like I’ve mentioned before (I think in the TXP Mag), it’s about product age, and product publications. With respect to the latter, all those systems have books published about them…don’t underestimate it, that draws a lot of user base outside of the core fanboys (and girls). When Txp has two or three books published about it (one on the way already from Nathan Smith and gang), it will go mainstream too. My prediction, anyway.

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hcgtv · 2006-11-17 16:15:15

Destry, I hope those books have chapters on HTML and CSS ;)

I think the one thing holding Textpattern back is the lack of an easy mechanism to install themes. For the most part, those that use Textpattern are more designers by trade or by hobby, than regular web users.

soulship · 2006-11-17 17:33:51

holding Textpattern back is the lack of an easy mechanism to install themes

I have to agree here. If someone could install – pick out the style they wanted and just start typing…

but wait!…wouldn’t that take all the fun away :)

maniqui · 2006-11-17 17:46:49

but wait!…wouldn’t that take all the fun away :)

For sure!

I don’t want to sound elitist… but I think that an easy mechanism to install them to easily run and go a TxP powered website could lead to… I better shut up because I dont know how to exactly express my idea in english and it’s very probably that what I want to express sounds bad…

The stepping learning curve of TxP is some kind of “filter” that has got its benefits and its disadvantages in keeping the slow (but good) growing of the community and the software itself…

Currently, there are many systems that let you install it, add a theme and go…
For an inexplicable reason, I won’t like that TxP becomes one of those systems…

I dont know if I explain myself correctly.. I really dont want to sound elitist or selfish…

Horses for courses…

els · 2006-11-17 18:32:45

Maniquí, you just put into words – well, more or less ;) – the way I feel about Textpattern. So never mind if it will never reach a top three position wherever :)

hcgtv · 2006-11-17 19:49:55

soulship wrote:

but wait!…wouldn’t that take all the fun away :)

This weekend marks the introduction of two new game systems, the Sony PS3 and the Nintendo Wii.

How would you like to crack open your PS3 or Wii boxes and find books with titles like 3D animation and 3D modeling with Maya that are required reading before you play your first game?

Or would you just like to play?

hakjoon · 2006-11-17 20:20:51

hcgtv wrote:
How would you like to crack open your PS3 or Wii boxes and find books with titles like 3D animation and 3D modeling with Maya that are required reading before you play your first game?

But in this analogy Textpattern is Maya and your website is the PS3/Wii. You don’t need to know Textpattern to use a site built with it, but you need to learn it to build a site using it.

Even with something like Joomla and Drupal you aren’t going to just install and go. The learning curve with Drupal is fairly steep too. (I’ve never seriously tried Joomla).

I’m kind of with Maniqui and Els on this one. It seems that for the instant site you have Blogger, MT, Wordpress. I like that TXP is sort of in the middle. Although I would like an easier way to move themes I build offline to my live site.

soulship · 2006-11-17 20:33:21

hcgtv wrote:
How would you like to crack open your PS3 or Wii boxes and find books with titles like 3D animation and 3D modeling with Maya that are required reading before you play your first game?

hakjoon wrote:
But in this analogy Textpattern is Maya and your website is the PS3/Wii. You don’t need to know Textpattern to use a site built with it, but you need to learn it to build a site using it.

I must be a dork. To me textpattern*/illustrator/flash etc etc *is the playstation.

I am having to learn swift 3d on the fly right now to get some material for a presentation and to me half the fun is figuring out how things work and the sense of satisfaction when I do. But I do not want to discount Burt’s point either, because I am a dork, and 99.999% of people don’t want to look at this code crap. They just want their M-TV and they want it to work out o’ the box.

hakjoon · 2006-11-17 22:07:59

soulship wrote:
I must be a dork. To me textpattern*/illustrator/flash etc etc *is the playstation.

Yeah well I’m kind of in that boat too. I pretty much gave up computer games when I got a copy of Lightwave3D as I wanted to spend all my time on the computer in LW and not playing Mechwarrior.

Although I don’t know that it’s quite the same for everyone else. Swift3D is cool though. Are you using the standalone one or one of the plugins for Max and LW?

hcgtv · 2006-11-17 22:22:14

hakjoon wrote:

Although I would like an easier way to move themes I build offline to my live site.

Ditto.

Destry · 2006-11-18 10:45:42

The point I was trying to make about books is that it provides exposure to the system (regardless of the technical aspects) into market circles that otherwise don’t stumble across Txp. Yes, those circles are out there, and they are not all tech idiots like you might be quick to think.

Like hakjoon, pointed out, Drupal is not any easier, in fact it has a steeper curve than Txp, but yet there it is at the top of the heap. Why? It’s got books, man, lots of books (and seniority), which would suggest people are willing to read good docs to learn something if those docs are available.

Oh, and I’m in the Txp camp that likes the system as is…as a clean slate, and not a push-the-one-button-to-inflate-instant-design approach. But that’s just me, and I can roll with the future.

hakjoon · 2006-11-18 15:14:43

Now I’m all excited about this book. The one thing we have to remember is that Drupal and Joomla are a lot older then TXP. And Drupal specially is a huge swiss army knife. As flexible as TXP is it does not do everything Drupal can do yet.

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