HTML/CSS editor for Mac OS X

marios · 2006-06-27 23:52:41

rloaderro wrote:

marios wrote:

hcgtv wrote:

I’ve thought of making the switch, then I hear all the horror stories with the new Intel Macs.

What a terrible marriage, indeed.

What horror stories? I’ve had a macbook for about 2 months now. It runs hot, but I haven’t had any technical problems…

I think, that the major problems, that might occur from this Intel/apple joint venture are more security related, since Intel-ships haven’t been designed for OS-X operating systems from the ground up. (That’s how I understood this)

May be that could lead to the same Situation as it is currently with Windows of the kind: patch here, hotfix there…
The Tiger OS is already quite bloated and on my MAC-mini I have allready ~700.000 files.

I’m not able to understand all that anyway, I just don’t like the Idea of an Intel-based Mac.
Unfortunately, there is nothing much that you can do about it, since Software Companies have to follow this trend,
and then you might be out of luck with your G4 Processor later.

May be it was a necessary Step to compete with Microsoft?
Who knows.
I’ll try to find a G4 at least ASAP, as a spare one.

regards, marios

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hakjoon · 2006-06-28 00:08:12

The chip the OS runs on really shouldn’t have any impact on it’s security. OpenBSD is not any less secure on Intel then it is on PPC, Alpha SPARC, MIPS. Actually I don’t think it runs on MIPS so nevermind.

What might happen is perhaps some stability issues as CISC vs RISC specific bugs get sorted out, but remember that a lot of OS X comes from Next Step which always ran on intel. In fact the whole universal binary things is a Next Step originally from Next Step.

MacBooks are of course rev 1 designs so proceed with caution. I personally see no point in replacing my powerbook until at least Photoshop runs natively on Intel and not under Rosetta.

hcgtv · 2006-06-28 00:15:57

marios wrote:

May be it was a necessary Step to compete with Microsoft?
Who knows.
I’ll try to find a G4 at least ASAP, as a spare one.

The appeal of Apple, to me, was the RISC architecture. It used less resources and ran cooler, so laptop battery life was longer and the damn thing didn’t burn your private parts.

I still haven’t figured it out, as to why the move, but I think it was a dumb one. With equal hardware, then it just comes down to the software. The appeal of OS/X is the more polished feel of it but we’re getting real close with current Linux distros.

Time will tell, but the mystic of Apple has faded somewhat now.

hakjoon · 2006-06-28 00:40:08

My Wife’s Centrino based dell runs way longer then my G4 powerbook and produces much less heat. So I think intel just outright beat PowerPC on that.

Honestly in a laptop I love the fact that I never have to wait for OSX to wake up like I do with XP and Linux. On a desktop, the minute I can run Photoshop and Illustrator on Linux or BSD (preferably BSD), I’m there. OSX basically gives me *nix with access to these commercial packages.

marios · 2006-06-28 00:49:10

hcgtv wrote:

I still haven’t figured it out, as to why the move, but I think it was a dumb one. With equal hardware, then it just comes down to the software. The appeal of OS/X is the more polished feel of it but we’re getting real close with current Linux distros.

I recently stumbled over some UBUNTU Sites, wiki resources, etc.. I first have been told about it from a friend of mine, who works at an Internet Cafe and is a Linux Freak. It looked pretty interesting, unfortunately I am completely alien to all this, but those resources could prove useful maybe for my Linksys NAS Devices. I’ll go and ask him, if he’s interested.

hakjoon wrote:

The chip the OS runs on really shouldn’t have any impact on it’s security. OpenBSD is not any less secure on Intel then it is on PPC, Alpha SPARC, MIPS. Actually I don’t think it runs on MIPS so nevermind.

@hakjoon, excellent explanation, thanks for the Software tip also.

Is it still right to assume, that OS-X (Tiger) will remain the safest Dektop OS in the world, even with that Intel-marriage ?

regards, marios

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hcgtv · 2006-06-28 01:33:34

hakjoon wrote:

OSX basically gives me *nix with access to these commercial packages.

That’s it’s biggest selling point, access to the big boy apps.

I haven’t paid for software in many years, unless you count the Microsoft tax on my laptop. So running Photoshop, Quicken or any other fill-in-the-blank app doesn’t much matter to me, I get by just fine with free and open source software.

There was a time when Linux looked horrible and to get something to work required incantations. Today, my Debian Sid workstation looks really good and every bit of hardware is recognized. I’m playing with Enlightenment DR17 and I can make it look and feel very close to OS/X.

I’m in no way indicative of today’s general population, but tomorrow’s users are starting way ahead of the curve today. If at 12, you are handed a computer with broadband access, the only thing you need to buy at a computer store would be CD-R’s ;)

marios · 2006-06-28 01:48:08

I just stumbled over this article while searching for a javascript. <a href=“http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/06/07/adobe-cs2-breaks-intel-apple-macs/”>That doesn’t really look so good</a> , as I must purchase Photoshop CS 2.
I had tested the trial version with Adobe Bridge on G4/mini and and ran fine without any problems.

regards

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jakob · 2006-06-28 12:39:34

marios wrote

Anybody out there who can put all these links together and write a short article for TXP Mag on Mac Editors?
alexandra, I’ll see what I can come up with…

That would be really good marios. Perhaps you can make it ‘useful tools for txp and the mac environment’ or ‘mac tips for switchers’ (i.e. your networking/synchronisation suggestions – e.g. one local webserver for both platforms). I too will soon get a macbook, and would be very interested. The ability to run windows on it too was actually the clincher as it is my first laptop altogether, and I have some windows software which is not available on the mac (at all afaik – dictionaries, translation management, CAD).

On the CSS front, how does xyle scope compare with topstyle, or is it more comparable to Edit CSS in the firefox dev toolbar.

marios · 2006-06-28 15:16:35

jakob wrote:

marios wrote

Anybody out there who can put all these links together and write a short article for TXP Mag on Mac Editors?
alexandra, I’ll see what I can come up with…

That would be really good marios. Perhaps you can make it ‘useful tools for txp and the mac environment’ or ‘mac tips for switchers’ (i.e. your networking/synchronisation suggestions – e.g. one local webserver for both platforms). I too will soon get a macbook, and would be very interested. The ability to run windows on it too was actually the clincher as it is my first laptop altogether, and I have some windows software which is not available on the mac (at all afaik – dictionaries, translation management, CAD).

On the CSS front, how does xyle scope compare with topstyle, or is it more comparable to Edit CSS in the firefox dev toolbar.

@jacob, you’re much ahead of me, Dave always comes up with these things on his blog when you really need it, and I haven’t checked a while. local inbound Testing will only happen on MAC OS (MAMP), (Currently I still do that on windows), Safe filesharing through NAS, so you can switch back and forth to Topstyle and TextMate. One Harddik will serve as a nightly backup disk, the other one is shared.
To make all this a little bit more interesting it shall all happen on a brand new MAC Mini with full Tiger (no upgrade from Panther)
All the production Server setup later at another stage, VPN, tunnelling form home to the office , DynDNS, etc.

EDIT.: Those are all my old thoughts, without having had the time yet to reconsider any of this (i haven’t red the article yet either)

regards, marios

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Joey · 2006-06-29 09:33:36

For me, the problems on the new macbooks (pros) didn’t stop me from switching. I have my warranty for if something is wrong with my machine. I mean, there is always something wrong with computers, and I think if there’s something wrong, Apple will repair my macbook.

jakob · 2006-06-29 10:46:04

(straying slightly from the topic here, sorry)

Marios, interesting what you write about an NAS Device (also read about a similar setup over at Forty Media). That sounds like a good way of mastering the file sychronisation, backup, printer and multi-platform issues all in one.
Am I right in assuming that they operate independently of any workstations? i.e. you can switch your desktop machine and leave the NAS device running (how silent?), then perhaps access it later via the laptop without having to switch the desktop machine back on etc. Also, does the network slow things down a lot?

Also, do you know of any affordable NAS devices that could act as a local webserver (not just fileserver) for development from both mac and pc? Or does it end up being more economical to have a dedicated machine (e.g. linux box) to do that?

I’m still a beginner at the local network level, so maybe there are other better ways of setting up a small-office multi-platform system?
I’m not sure if I misunderstood you, but does running a local webserver, whether on a MAMP/mac or a XAMPP/windows machine, mean that that computer has to be on all the time? I guess having a local webserver on each machine would also mean having to sync sql databases? It’d be ideal to have one repository for all that, such as on a NAS-device and only use the machine-bound webserver when on the move with the laptop.

EDIT: perhaps something like this: Synology DS106? And here a review by Tom’s Hardware. Just so there’s no mistaking, I have no experience whatsoever of these. A couple more infos on that: According to their FAQ on their swiss site, the webserver settings are not changeable (possibly upgradable through firmware?). You can see the current phpinfo of a setup here (presently Apache with PHP 5.12 / MySQL 4.1.5. One manko it does not seem to include mod_rewrite or virtual directories.

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hcgtv · 2006-06-29 15:51:11

jakob wrote:

Also, do you know of any affordable NAS devices that could act as a local webserver (not just fileserver) for development from both mac and pc? Or does it end up being more economical to have a dedicated machine (e.g. linux box) to do that?

NAS devices tend to be a lot more money than just rolling your own server. If it’s just for web development, then a used PC with 128mb of ram and a 2gb disk is plenty for a slimmed down Linux server.

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