Why haven't I heard of TextPattern?

hcgtv · 2006-05-23 01:19:01

Destry wrote:

Hence why I prefer to call TxP just a content publishing system, and a very good one.

I tend to agree, I think the only Open Source systems that approach a true CMS are TYPO3 and eZ publish. But for a personal site, they are overkill to say the least. TYPO3 requires months to get up to speed, I know, I’ve gone down that road.

So we have about 150 systems in production; CMS, Portal or Blog, you could even call a Wiki a content publishing system for that matter, that are vying for the web user’s space. The more popular ones like Mambo, PHP-Nuke, Wordpress and MediaWiki are thought to be best of breed by the casual user because they garner all the attention.

Textpattern or any other Open Source PHP app that’s talks to a MySQL database is just making it easier for us to publish our words without having to worry about the layout or font size of the page, that’s all.

NyteOwl · 2006-05-23 02:15:04

Hence why I prefer to call TxP just a content publishing system, and a very good one.

Destry: I do see your point and I think given that context will agree with you :)

I tend to agree, I think the only Open Source systems that approach a true CMS are TYPO3 and eZ publish. But for a personal site, they are overkill to say the least. TYPO3 requires months to get up to speed, I know, I’ve gone down that road.

hcgtv: I’m not sure the OpenCMS folks would agree with you (Not to mention Plone, Xaraya or Joomla) ;)

Destry · 2006-05-23 11:47:46

hcgtv wrote:

you could even call a Wiki a content publishing system for that matter

Absolutely, without a doubt. Same goes for this here forum. The “publishing” model is pretty basic, and Txp sits in it nicely…division of content components, saved in the database, called upon via user action and scripts. That’s simple publishing. It can be done right or wrong; Textpattern does it right.

When you have a “management” system that acquires information from multiple sources (authors, documents, databases, syndication, etc.), breaks the source formats down into fundamental XML schema, reassembles the information, and outputs the information with new context and in new formats (print, PDF, Web, brochures, multimedia, etc.)…then you have a real CMS (and that says nothing of the people and protocols behind such a CMS).

Since the term “CMS” ever came about, it’s been difficult to define, even among professionals whose lives revolve around them. (Like the authors of those books I referenced earlier.) I would be willing to say that within the genre of content management (the holistic view), if one ventured so far as to create a classification of CMS types, you could probably fit TxP in there somewhere, but that’s like killing tsi-tsi flies one-by-one; it’s much easier for people to call everything a CMS, since a majority of the less-informed world already does.

hcgtv · 2006-05-23 13:24:34

NyteOwl wrote:

hcgtv: I’m not sure the OpenCMS folks would agree with you (Not to mention Plone, Xaraya or Joomla) ;)

Maybe I should of said Open Source PHP systems – OpenCMS is Java based and Plone is Zope (Python) based, both of them require some knowledge to setup.

Xaraya has it’s roots in PHP-Nuke and Joomla! comes from Mambo, either of them are fine systems but are in no way full blown CMS’s.

florida_guy · 2006-05-23 13:25:58

Is there an explanation of how to do it somewhere that I’m not finding?

hcgtv wrote:

florida_guy wrote:

Quoting on this forum takes some getting used to since it’s Textile based. But even using bbcode, a user would need to practice a bit to get the hang of things, I know I did at first.

florida_guy · 2006-05-23 13:28:22

I look forward to part two. Thanks for writing part one.

Destry wrote:

(For those who actually read the article and understood that, I thank you.)

hcgtv · 2006-05-23 13:35:10

florida_guy wrote:

Is there an explanation of how to do it somewhere that I’m not finding?

This is a good thread on the nuances of this forum.

There’s also the Textile (Quick Help) link.

florida_guy · 2006-05-23 22:42:36

O.K. I must be missing something. The thread you point me to doesn’t have any real tips on how to quote. Only a few people who aren’t particularly thrilled with punBB. (I read through the whole thread twice.) When I click on the Quick Help link I only get three breif tag suggestions. Am I being dense?

hcgtv wrote:

florida_guy wrote:

Is there an explanation of how to do it somewhere that I’m not finding?

This is a good thread on the nuances of this forum.

There’s also the Textile (Quick Help) link.

NyteOwl · 2006-05-23 23:58:51

florida_guy wrote:

O.K. I must be missing something. The thread you point me to doesn’t have any real tips on how to quote. Only a few people who aren’t particularly thrilled with punBB. (I read through the whole thread twice.) When I click on the Quick Help link I only get three breif tag suggestions. Am I being dense?

The easiest is to click the “quote” in the lower right corner of the post you want to quote. You can also create a similar effect by copying and then pasting the copy after a typeing bq. (don’t forget the space after the period)

florida_guy · 2006-05-24 01:19:06

Yes, I’ve discovered that but what I frequently prefer to do is break up the quote and respond to each individual point in turn. I haven’t found a clean way to do that here. With BBCode I just close the quote tag, respond to point one, open a new quote tag etc…

NyteOwl wrote:

The easiest is to click the “quote” in the lower right corner of the post you want to quote. You can also create a similar effect by copying and then pasting the copy after a typeing bq. (don’t forget the space after the period)

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NyteOwl · 2006-05-24 01:31:12

florida_guy wrote:

Yes, I’ve discovered that but what I frequently prefer to do is break up the quote and respond to each individual point in turn.

Just insert a blank line where you would normally use a close quote tag and place a bq. at the start of the next block you want to quote.

I haven’t found a clean way to do that here.

As I did with this one. :-)

With BBCode I just close the quote tag, respond to point one, open a new quote tag etc…

And again : -)

It took me a bit to get used to Textile too. It has both benefits and drawbacks.

Anark · 2006-05-24 03:59:43

Sencer wrote:

If you look at the origins: There is a metafilter-thread (does somebody have the link? I couldn’t find it) on the release of a very early version of movabletype where people in the comments are suggesting b2 (out of which wordpress was born) and textpattern as alternatives.

Here’s the Metafilter thread, which includes this comment pointing to this Textism entry announcing Textpattern on 30 July 2001.

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